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A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

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Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

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The study is on college kids.

You are downvoted for no reason. Not only that college kids are not representative for the entire population, but most importantly college kids tend not to have money. The article says:

> variables that influenced dining choices included the relative prices of vegetarian and non-vegetarian options

Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

#52
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s as obvious as you imply. If a menu goes from 80% meat to 20% meat, I wouldn’t have been surprised to learn that either the same proportion of customers still chose a meat option; or that fewer customers ordered anything to begin with

If a menu switches from 80% meat to 20% meat, I (as a meat eater) would find somewhere else to eat. On the other hand vegetarians might start to come to this place. This place might sell more vegetarian food, yet nobody will have to convert to vegetarianism. Similarly, this is about cafeterias. Sometimes food runs out. Hell, the meat option always runs out on airplanes until food gets to me. If they reduce the meat e…

How is reducing your choices (for one meal per weekday) to 20% of the menu about anybody having "to convert to vegetarianism"?

Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

#53
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Would someone who is a vegan answer this question I have and I mean no offense by it. Why do you want to eat vegetables that are fake meat or made to taste like meat ? It seems silly to me.

Not a vegan, but the most common reasons I have heard cited for plant based foods are ethics of eating animals, the environmental impacts of meat production, and health concerns of meat consumption.

I’m sure even vegetarians/vegans enjoy the taste of meat. But they represent a small market. How can plant based food companies hope to get omnivores to buy their product? Making it similar in taste, texture, appearance seems to be the bet they’re taking.

Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

#54

The first vegetarian meal I've had where I didn't feel hungry afterwards was in an Indian vegetarian restaurant. It also tasted amazingly good. Parts of India are vegetarian, so they have had plenty of time to refine the offering and see what works together.

I am a meat eater. But growing up in India eating meat was rare (it was too expensive) and even in our house, vegetarian food was the norm. Being vegetarian in the US is not that hard, especially in a place like Seattle, but in India, it’s a non-event. Vegan food on the other hand would be hard.

Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

#55
The article doesn't go into enough details for us to evaluate the study.

Some possible scenarios:

They offered meat-free options that mirrored the meat-containing options. For example, they had beef lasagna and as an alternative vegetarian lasagna. If this dramatically increased the selection of vegetarian options it seems like a good indicator that there was a preference for meat free options that wasn't being satisfied.

They offered meat-free lasagna as an additional option, independent of the other available choices (so no 'regular' lasagna was offered at the same time). If this increased selection of vegetarian options, it tells us absolutely nothing. It's quite possible that many people 'felt like lasagna' that day, and that was that. To phrase this scenario another way: they could increase the selection of vegetarian options to 100% by eliminating all meat from the cafeteria, but this wouldn't demonstrate any preference for vegetarian by the customers.

Since whoever wrote this article didn't mention the methodology, my guess is that the methodology is more like my second scenario, which is to say that it was not a meaningful study but they don't want to say that because they are pushing an agenda. Either that or it's incompetence, I think Hanlon's Razor attaches at this point.

Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

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The dish mentioned sounds far better than what is usually served as vegetarian food at canteens and restaurants. Quite often they offer just a compilation of side-dishes to have something vegetarian on their menu. (Dumblings with red cabbage and - wait for it - gravy from roasting meat is a widespread menu offer for vegetarians in southern Germany. Not sure if it counts as vegetarian option though). Once people notic…

Vegetarian food can be delicious or disgusting, just as meat can be. I wouldn't salivate over sitting down to a dinner of boiled stew beef cubes without any seasoning at all... Which is pretty much the equivalent of boiled rice and broccoli. (Standard vegetarian fare at a lot of cafeterias in North America). I noticed something yesterday... Capitalistic enterprises really shit on vegetarians for some reason, and I ca…

Cauliflower costs substantially more than flour, if I were to guess.

The plant based patties are highly processed and much lower volume.

Why would you expect these things to cost the same?

Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

#57
post #35

Would someone who is a vegan answer this question I have and I mean no offense by it. Why do you want to eat vegetables that are fake meat or made to taste like meat ? It seems silly to me.

Most meat flavour come from sauces. Your burger mostly tastes of ketchup, mayo, mustard, pickles, and fried onions.

Your steak is slathered in mushroom sauce, your fish is covered in batter or white wine, and your chicken is coated with 11 different herbs and spices.

You're eating meat, but you're tasting condiments.

I like veggie sausages because they fit in hot-dog buns. And burgers because they fit in burger buns. I wouldn't say the attraction is that they taste of "meat" - they're just convenient form factors.

Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

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post #8

The dish mentioned sounds far better than what is usually served as vegetarian food at canteens and restaurants. Quite often they offer just a compilation of side-dishes to have something vegetarian on their menu. (Dumblings with red cabbage and - wait for it - gravy from roasting meat is a widespread menu offer for vegetarians in southern Germany. Not sure if it counts as vegetarian option though). Once people notic…

Vegetarian food can be delicious or disgusting, just as meat can be. I wouldn't salivate over sitting down to a dinner of boiled stew beef cubes without any seasoning at all... Which is pretty much the equivalent of boiled rice and broccoli. (Standard vegetarian fare at a lot of cafeterias in North America). I noticed something yesterday... Capitalistic enterprises really shit on vegetarians for some reason, and I ca…

If you want good vegetarian/vegan cuisine, you shouldn't go to western franchise foods. That's like going to a steak house and ordering a salad. These companies know their customers, they know they generally aren't vegetarians, so they put minimum effort/expertise into an item that few will order anyway.

On the other hand, most foreign cuisines have developed good vegetarian dishes out of necessity. Some places even specialize to cater to vegetarians/vegans. That's just as capitalist as the major burger franchise next door. So take your money where your mouth is.

> I live in Canada, btw.

You do, but you don't have to. Just saying.

Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

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post #35

Would someone who is a vegan answer this question I have and I mean no offense by it. Why do you want to eat vegetables that are fake meat or made to taste like meat ? It seems silly to me.

Probably because they like meat but think it's unethical to eat.

Re: A rise in vegetarian options leads customers to embrace meat-free meals

#60
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I am not vegetarian, but I still sometimes choose the vegetarian option because it tastes good . I'm not very surprised by more people finding tasty vegetarian options when more are made available.

> I'm not very surprised by more people finding tasty vegetarian options when more are made available.

This is a bit off-topic, but this always bothers me. Just because we're discussing a topic doesn't mean we're surprised by it. Some data being new and worth discussing doesn't mean it broke from expectations.

You can see the same thing in this other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21146856 No one is clutching their pearls, folks. We're just having a conversation.

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