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Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by coldtea »

_2d30 wrote: post #120
tanilama wrote: post #107

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https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share... Adding Huawei+Xiaomi+Oppo+Vivo alone counts 45% of the world smart share already, by units, and the others consisting ZTE/Lenovo and other Chinese brands as well. Safe to say the Chinese phones are already 50% of all phones shipped. Yes, it is pretty dominating. Had not for the Trump ban, Huawei would probably dethrone Samsung in EU as well, according to…

You said "US is by far the only market that Chinese phones haven't dominated" So Chinese phone manufacturers making up 1/3 of the European market, as per your link, is them dominating it??? Chinese phones don't dominate worldwide in the sense of geography. They dominate worldwide in the sense of units because they are the low margin, budget phone manufacturers supplying lower income parts of the world. Not a bad plac…

>So Chinese phone manufacturers making up 1/3 of the European market, as per your link, is them dominating it???

Considering that a lot or most of the iPhones and Samsung phones sold (well, before the moving out) were also made in China, yes. The 1/3 you mention are just the Chinese brands....

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by sharpneli »

beerandt wrote: post #83
tedivm wrote: post #47

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The entire US Industrial Revolution was kicked off by Francis Cabot Lowell stealing the designs of British power looms. Alexander Hamilton, as treasury secretary, adopted an actual policy of stealing technology and sent spies to Britain as well. This is how it works. Countries without technology steal it from those that do. It's basically a market force- if you don't make it available at something approaching a reaso…

Context: The two countries were still enemies at the time and on the verge of war. If I recall my history correctly, the trade routes collapsed when Britain stopped selling America textiles, stopped buying American cotton and then tried to blockade the entire country. Yes stealing the loom filled a void in the American market, but in this case Britain isn't exactly blameless. It wasn't really the same market forces t…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enercon

See Patent Dispute.

I’m not saying US does this as much as China. It would be hard as US is the tech leader in many fields.

But whenever US is not a tech leader they happily engage in government sanctioned industrial espionage (Not Officially Officially sanctioned but wink and nod whoopsie kind of). Thus the complaints about what China is doing ring hollow.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by coldtea »

anonygler wrote: post #37
throwaway4589 wrote: post #34

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Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.

>This reeks of whataboutism

Yes, aka "putting things in perspective" and "not doing one-sided criticism"...

Why don't all these whatabouters don't just let us blame whoever we want, and keep mum for shit ourselves or our friends did/do?

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by tootie »

latchkey wrote: post #14
hardwaresofton wrote: post #9

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I wonder why more producers haven't made this move? If Vietnam is there as far as infrastructure goes and they have the skilled/unskilled labor why is this not a more popular move. Also when we say "make" I assume we mean "assembles". Somewhat anecdotally I recently purchased a laptop and tried to find one that wasn't made in China and it was nigh on impossible.

I'm a tech expat living in Vietnam (from Bay Area) for the last 4 years. This is a really loaded question. You have to look into the politics of the VN govt, especially related to the fact that it is on the northern end of VN, closer to Hanoi... which has different politics than in the south. I've been to Hai Phong, which is the city in the north near the China border where most of this commerce happens. It is fascin…

I don't doubt it, but there must be a very limited throughput. They can't be shipping even 1% of China's output over dirt roads.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

kalleboo wrote: post #129
tooltalk wrote: post #88

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How do you feel about Apple's theft of Xerox's innovation in the late 70's or Obama's "pardoning" of Apple IP theft (ie, Samsung's USITC victory), that would have banned iPhone imports from China in 2012?

> Apple's theft of Xerox's innovation in the late 70's Apple was invited to visit Xerox in exchange for pre-IPO stock purchase rights. Xerox's management didn't know the value of what they had and willingly gave it away.

This. Apple didn’t steal anything from xerox, they bought it. Sure they got a good deal, but it was still a legal transaction.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

shp0ngle wrote: post #122
desdiv wrote: post #26

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There should be more push back against goods made in non-democratic countries like Vietnam, and not just against Made-in-China. My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy S5 and I was surprised to find out that it was made in Korea. Manufacturing in Korea certainly didn't seem to harm Samsung's financial prospects back then, and the phone wasn't any more expensive than its Made-in-China competitors. I have zero reservati…

Democratic countries cost too much money, since they value environment and worker rights too much. People say they support human rights and environment, but then they still go for the price.

We really need to get rid of the concept of optimal human capital in globalism; focusing the world's battery production in a country with a ton of lithium or whatever is fine, but playing the musical chairs of shit labor & environmental laws so companies can gain more money they aren't going to spend in your country anyway is not

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by selimthegrim »

latchkey wrote: post #14
hardwaresofton wrote: post #9

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I wonder why more producers haven't made this move? If Vietnam is there as far as infrastructure goes and they have the skilled/unskilled labor why is this not a more popular move. Also when we say "make" I assume we mean "assembles". Somewhat anecdotally I recently purchased a laptop and tried to find one that wasn't made in China and it was nigh on impossible.

I'm a tech expat living in Vietnam (from Bay Area) for the last 4 years. This is a really loaded question. You have to look into the politics of the VN govt, especially related to the fact that it is on the northern end of VN, closer to Hanoi... which has different politics than in the south. I've been to Hai Phong, which is the city in the north near the China border where most of this commerce happens. It is fascin…

Sihanoukville you mean

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Post by rjzzleep »

tooltalk wrote: post #66
throwaway4589 wrote: post #34

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Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

No. Samsung grew during Japan's trade row with the US in the 80's. The trade hostility between the two nations gave opportunity for Samsung to jump in the DRAM business, just in time for their 64K and 256K breakthroughs ahead of competition in 1984. By 90's, Samsung was already ahead of most Japanese competitors. Now, stop making stuff up to rationalize China's IP theft.

There's obviously a bit more to the story. Japan used Koreans as labor force in the occupied territories. For that to have been possible they must have built factories there.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-japan-laborers...

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