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Re: New research questions the evidence for health benefits of eating less red meat

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Post by arcticbull » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 8:19 PM UTC

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Thanks for your helpful framework for evaluating these kinds of things! Any thoughts on this meta-analysis that covered dose-response relationships over 16 studies and 205,000 people and found basically that too little salt leads to cardiac death risk, and too much salt leads to potential increased stroke mortality. [1] [1] https://bmccardiovascdisord.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11...

Thanks for the link, that's a very thorough meta-analysis. My thoughts are: what the hell do I know? :) The meta-analysis results are very confusing: low salt intake is associated with a relative risk of cardiac death, but moderate and high salt intake is associated with a relative risk of stroke death. Now what? Some of the studies analysed controlled for various groups, e.g. with high BMI, or, indeed, with previous…

Again I appreciate your thoughtful analysis, this is why I come here ^_^

Re: New research questions the evidence for health benefits of eating less red meat

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Post by geggam » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 12:36 PM UTC

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Just wanted to make sure you realized its not possible for animals to not consent or consent. So this idea you can decide for them means I can too. As a note : A large solar storm taking out the grid would show you how close we are to losing the comfortable society, or one of many other similar events. There isnt a city in this country that would be able to handle the loss of electricity for a week let alone a month.

If an entire city lost power then the first food to spoil would be the meat. I suppose you could hunt squirrels and other small city-dwelling animals but they're not likely to last very long if millions of people suddenly turned to that. What food doesn't require electricity to keep? Oats, wheat, beans, lentils, potatoes, rice, apples, pears, onions, etc. Notice a trend? It's all vegan food. Good luck :) So tell me a…

Rabbits, raise rabbits and feed them the vegan food :)

Being in a city dooms most of the population in an event like this anyway. Combine the fact most city dwellers have never harvested food or cleaned an animal let alone takens its life.

When all that vegan food runs out where do you think you are going to grow more ? Rabbits eat grass and other vegetation that grows in cities. Not to mention they populate fast enough you would likely not even starve to death before production ramped up :)

Now...all that aside.

Can we just agree to not tell each other what to eat ?

Re: New research questions the evidence for health benefits of eating less red meat

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Post by sparrc » Thu, Oct 03, 2019, 3:14 PM UTC

geggam wrote: post #312

sparrc wrote: post #307

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If an entire city lost power then the first food to spoil would be the meat. I suppose you could hunt squirrels and other small city-dwelling animals but they're not likely to last very long if millions of people suddenly turned to that. What food doesn't require electricity to keep? Oats, wheat, beans, lentils, potatoes, rice, apples, pears, onions, etc. Notice a trend? It's all vegan food. Good luck :) So tell me a…

Rabbits, raise rabbits and feed them the vegan food :) Being in a city dooms most of the population in an event like this anyway. Combine the fact most city dwellers have never harvested food or cleaned an animal let alone takens its life. When all that vegan food runs out where do you think you are going to grow more ? Rabbits eat grass and other vegetation that grows in cities. Not to mention they populate fast eno…

> Can we just agree to not tell each other what to eat ?

Yep, I said from the start that I don't have any burden to change what you do. I never made any argument against meat-eating, why are you so obsessed with trying to prove vegans wrong?

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Post by Falling3 » Fri, Oct 04, 2019, 12:01 AM UTC

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> There's nothing a single individual can do to stop global warming. We need radical technological innovation to get out of this mess. Everyone needs to be encouraged to participate. Dividing ourselves into good and bad group over diets and lifestyles is waste of everyone's time. I don't disagree with any of that except that encouraging diets amounts to "Dividing ourselves into good and bad group". It's also not an a…

> I don't disagree with any of that except that encouraging diets amounts to "Dividing ourselves into good and bad group". It's also not an actual counterargument. I also happen to think economics and technology will be the drivers that push plant-based diets to the majority. Sure but it could also make meat intensive diets have less of a carbon footprint. Once you start preaching that certain lifestyles are better a…

> Once you start preaching that certain lifestyles are better at stopping climate change than others, I feel you're effectively judging which life styles are good or bad for the world.

Certain lifestyles are better than others. You can argue that it's not effective to discuss individual contributions, but you can't pretend this isn't the case.

>I really don't think it makes sense to address climate change at an individual level. Most people have little to no control over how they live their lives. Even if they did, it'd be an enormous ask to have everyone understand their carbon footprint due to supply chain complexity.

This is _such_ a strange attitude that people apply selectively to issues. Poverty requires systematic solutions, but that doesn't mean we don't have a responsibility to help those in our communities. Diseases require systemic solutions, but that doesn't resolve us from doing what we can individually to prevent the spread of diseases. Violence, crime, education, pollution. Most big problems require big solutions, but that doesn't mean we should ignore individual contributions.