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It's also how the US grew in the 18th century, by stealing IP from the global technological leader, Britain (who stole a great deal from India).
I know Britain exploited the hell out of India as a colony, but what IP did they steal? Or did you just mean stolen resources?
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I'll try it without citations :) Because China is an authoritarian regime that imprisons, and sometimes kills, people for their opinions. Because China systematically destroyed one of the oldest and most peaceful cultures the world has ever seen in Tibet. Because China put 100's of 1000's of Muslims in concentration camps. A program which is still happening by all (non Chinese government) accounts. And so on. Not tha…
Beyond your last point on concentration camp, the US isn't a shining example of "imprisons, and sometimes kills," and "systematically destroyed peaceful cultures" either. And the bail system where poor people can be held for not having money to post bail is akin to decentralized concentration camps around the country. That you can say is a stretch, but you get the point.
Oh, typical "What about US?" answer, bravo.
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This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.
The entire US Industrial Revolution was kicked off by Francis Cabot Lowell stealing the designs of British power looms. Alexander Hamilton, as treasury secretary, adopted an actual policy of stealing technology and sent spies to Britain as well. This is how it works. Countries without technology steal it from those that do. It's basically a market force- if you don't make it available at something approaching a reaso…
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The two countries were still enemies at the time and on the verge of war. If I recall my history correctly, the trade routes collapsed when Britain stopped selling America textiles, stopped buying American cotton and then tried to blockade the entire country.
Yes stealing the loom filled a void in the American market, but in this case Britain isn't exactly blameless.
It wasn't really the same market forces that we see today, unless I'm missing something. China's not stealing IP to fill any market void.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Beyond your last point on concentration camp, the US isn't a shining example of "imprisons, and sometimes kills," and "systematically destroyed peaceful cultures" either. And the bail system where poor people can be held for not having money to post bail is akin to decentralized concentration camps around the country. That you can say is a stretch, but you get the point.
"Only the US is allowed to mistreat Muslims and only when the Muslims are foreigners" is a thermonuclear take of mine that I mostly keep to myself, because it doesn't really help anybody and just makes people mad, and because (most importantly imo) two things can be bad at the same time .
The big difference between the situation in Xinjiang and the US's treatment of Muslims and illegal immigrants, IMO, is China's censorship of any opposition to the government's actions. Prominent politicians and members of the media openly criticize and report on the US's unethical actions - any such speech in China is strictly controlled and punished.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
I'll try it without citations :) Because China is an authoritarian regime that imprisons, and sometimes kills, people for their opinions. Because China systematically destroyed one of the oldest and most peaceful cultures the world has ever seen in Tibet. Because China put 100's of 1000's of Muslims in concentration camps. A program which is still happening by all (non Chinese government) accounts. And so on. Not tha…
Anyone who claims that Tibetans have "one of the most peaceful culture" knows the topic only through watching the Dalai Lama on TV.
The reality is that they are the same as everyone else.
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#86In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.
Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.
Europe was after China last time. For example, Marco Polo. Opium War was pretty much China to Europe as well. Brits stole tea and gave it to the Indians as a cash crop.
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Samsung claimed a Chinese company stole their folding phone screen tech. https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-foldable-screen-tec...
After decades of stealing from Apple and other companies, Samsung complaining about this is sheer irony.
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Samsung claimed a Chinese company stole their folding phone screen tech. https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-foldable-screen-tec...
After decades of stealing from Apple and other companies, Samsung complaining about this is sheer irony.
How do you feel about Apple's theft of Xerox's innovation in the late 70's or Obama's "pardoning" of Apple IP theft (ie, Samsung's USITC victory), that would have banned iPhone imports from China in 2012?
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#89Apple should too
Apple just recently announced their making macbooks in texas, perhaps its a start. Even mexico could be a good place because prosperity there helps the US as well.