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Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.

Samsung claimed a Chinese company stole their folding phone screen tech. https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-foldable-screen-tec...

After decades of stealing from Apple and other companies, Samsung complaining about this is sheer irony.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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It's also how the US grew in the 18th century, by stealing IP from the global technological leader, Britain (who stole a great deal from India).

I know Britain exploited the hell out of India as a colony, but what IP did they steal? Or did you just mean stolen resources?

I don’t have a reference, but high quality steel making would be one.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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There should be more push back against goods made in non-democratic countries like Vietnam, and not just against Made-in-China. My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy S5 and I was surprised to find out that it was made in Korea. Manufacturing in Korea certainly didn't seem to harm Samsung's financial prospects back then, and the phone wasn't any more expensive than its Made-in-China competitors. I have zero reservati…

> My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy S5 and I was surprised to find out that it was made in Korea. Samsung is a Korean company so it's not that weird that they should manufacture things there.

They meant that they were surprised it wasn't outsourced manufacturing. They know it's a Korean company...

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Samsung claimed a Chinese company stole their folding phone screen tech. https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-foldable-screen-tec...

After decades of stealing from Apple and other companies, Samsung complaining about this is sheer irony.

It's not if the target of complain is a Chinese company. A mistake people often make in moral reasoning is to assume that it's only qualitative, descriptive aspects of an action (ie excluding such things as who did it, whom was it done to, etc) that is relevant to how they should be assessed morally

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.

"extent" is irrelevant in this context because we are not comparing individual people but groups, and China has a much larger population than other countries. The real problem is not quantity but quality. IP theft done by better human beings is perfectly justifiable.

Notice how your other posts have already been deleted?

How do you define a better human being? Let me guess, you fit in that group!

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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After decades of stealing from Apple and other companies, Samsung complaining about this is sheer irony.

It's not if the target of complain is a Chinese company. A mistake people often make in moral reasoning is to assume that it's only qualitative, descriptive aspects of an action (ie excluding such things as who did it, whom was it done to, etc) that is relevant to how they should be assessed morally

Was this supposed to make any sense? It might be the first non bigoted remark you've made on this post, but can't tell because it is completely incomprehensible.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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Samsung already makes most of their phones in Vietnam. Not a huge difference, other than the lack of tariffs. https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/04/12/why-samsung-of-sou...

There should be more push back against goods made in non-democratic countries like Vietnam, and not just against Made-in-China. My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy S5 and I was surprised to find out that it was made in Korea. Manufacturing in Korea certainly didn't seem to harm Samsung's financial prospects back then, and the phone wasn't any more expensive than its Made-in-China competitors. I have zero reservati…

In my mind this thinking is no better than isolationist thinking of those countries. Bringing business to those countries is the best way to improve living conditions of the workers and expose them to the better world.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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I'm a tech expat living in Vietnam (from Bay Area) for the last 4 years. This is a really loaded question. You have to look into the politics of the VN govt, especially related to the fact that it is on the northern end of VN, closer to Hanoi... which has different politics than in the south. I've been to Hai Phong, which is the city in the north near the China border where most of this commerce happens. It is fascin…

You can pay something like 50 RMB for them to motorbike you through the jungles into Cambodia or Loas (illegally) without any questions asked. There are also illegal but protected casinos near the Vietnam-China border entry, that only allow in Chinese nationals.

I did it myself. Even stood on the literal border of Vietnam and China. ;-) That is China in the distance and VN is building a wall of some sort. The road that you see is filled with trucks carrying stuff. Last picture is one of the dirt border backroads I was driving on... pretty epic trip.

I also drove into Laos near the north side and all through it as well. The amount of Chinese influence in Laos is overwhelming.

https://imgur.com/a/WGWv9kr

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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"extent" is irrelevant in this context because we are not comparing individual people but groups, and China has a much larger population than other countries. The real problem is not quantity but quality. IP theft done by better human beings is perfectly justifiable.

Notice how your other posts have already been deleted? How do you define a better human being? Let me guess, you fit in that group!

Absolutely. Am I making any error (either of fact, or of reasoning) in believing I myself to be a better human being than the Chinese? I'm genuinely curious.

Re: Samsung ends mobile phone production in China

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This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.

> nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has Translation: what about all the countries that aren't as bad as China? A certain amount of "whataboutism" is unavoidable if you attempt to make any comparative statments, or believe inductive reasoning is possible.

I also think 'whataboutism' is critical to maintain logic consistency and try to avoid bias. For instance imagine I dislike group X, and and I use a condemnation of action A (which they engage in) as part of the justification for that dislike. If my condemnation of A is valid and genuine supportive evidence of my rationale for disliking X then A should be bad in contexts other than when X is engaging in it.

And so comparing A when done by actors other than X is absolutely critical in determining whether it's actually indeed a bad action, or whether I'm simply clouded by bias and calling it bad because of my dislike of X.

In searching Google Trends it's somewhat unsurprising to find that 'whataboutism' as a term didn't even really exist until around 2017 [1] when partisan driven bias and antagonism started to exponentially skyrocket. It's quite an insidious term since it helps deflect potentially logical critique of irrational views, but has a paradoxical connotation of legitimacy and intellectual authenticity.

[1] - https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=w...

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