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Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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Re: Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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"A scientific review of 52 studies recently concluded that humans on average consume a credit card’s worth of microplastic each week." Wow

As shocking as that is, I'd like to see some confirmation of that number.

I don't doubt the analogy, but I think we need to study if this is actually harmful. Does the body expel it entirely as waste, or is some left behind, etc.

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I've always been leery of metal containers because I'm sure there's some unsafe machine oil/lubricant in there from the China manufacturing plant it was made at and wasn't completely/properly washed. Even after washing it at home I'm sure you can't get everything out.

I can do you one better. During that time frame, Kleen Kanteen made a big mea culpa, because initially they claimed that their canteens were BPA free and then they found out they were lining them with... you guessed it, BPA. I tend to use glass for anything other than water. Anything without a neutral pH can make your container more reactive, no matter what it's made of. I put tea or coffee into a double wall stainle…

Do you have a source on the Klean Lantern BPA? I have some bottles and want to find out if they are lined this way.

Re: Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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Interesting, considering just a few decades ago bundling old tires and sinking them into the ocean was considered an environmentally-friendly disposal method. It was believed that the tires would create reefs, encouraging sea life, and at the same time take care of on ongoing tire disposal problem that occasionally led to catastrophic fires. I wonder what other modern "environmentally friendly" things we're doing now…

that could well be fine, because those tires aren't abraded into small particles the same way?

The problem is it often isn't fine: the tires are not stationary: as the waves drag them around on the sea floor they do significant damage to sea floor structures that can stand waves by not something more solid.

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The last mile problem can only be solved by eliminating single family detached homes. You can only reduce the amount of energy required to move bodies so much, at some point you have to start reducing the distances traveled.

I'd rather go with the less people travelling further on bikes route. There's a 1:1 ratio between amount of space (and therefor nature) per person, and the distance we're willing to travel on foot/bike/etc.

bikes have tires too

Re: Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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the last mile problem can be solved in a million different ways: bikes, taxis, uber, walking, buses... Eliminating car culture is non optional if we want to save the planet.

Unless you live more than a mile away... Lots of people don't live in densely populated areas near train tracks where getting off the train and getting home is Obviously, it makes sense for those who do but most of America is sprawly and isn't designed for rail transit efficiency. I'd appreciate good quite rail but it isn't anywhere near feasible in these sprawly landscapes.

> Lots of people don't live in densely populated areas

but MOST of the people do live (or around) densely populated areas, no? (just checked - google says 82% of US population is in urban areas). Addressing issues for most of the people first would have the most impact.

Re: Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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I can do you one better. During that time frame, Kleen Kanteen made a big mea culpa, because initially they claimed that their canteens were BPA free and then they found out they were lining them with... you guessed it, BPA. I tend to use glass for anything other than water. Anything without a neutral pH can make your container more reactive, no matter what it's made of. I put tea or coffee into a double wall stainle…

What's wrong with ceramics?

Ceramics are sometimes finished with a lead (or other heavy metal) based glaze. If that is the case your have problems much more serious than BPA was ever accused of. When you buy souvenir plates you often see "not for food contact" or other such language - the finish is why. (note, sometimes the finish is safe but the factory does other things that are not safe and don't want to do better purification of the equipment between runs)

Re: Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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post #51

This is one reason why I don't like living near freeways, especially near on-ramps, off-ramps, and interchanges. Car pollution isn't just tailpipe emissions - I believe a lot of airborne particulates come from tires and brakes (especially during acceleration, deceleration, and turning). https://www.cdc.gov/air/particulate_matter.html

Came up in conversation when I took my car in that up until recently they were using little bits of copper in brake pads for... noise control? heat? I can't recall which. But that's been outlawed now, presumably due to potential for metal toxicity (any mineral you need in your diet is also lethal at higher doses). We're leaving powdered copper at every stop light.

Copper is used as bottom-coat on sailboats, it's also used as a non-hormonal contraceptive IUD material.

I don't think it's terribly harmful for humans if it's safe for a women's uterus. California tends to be exceptionally concerned for the environment in general. All that copper dust making it into the coastal marine environments isn't going to be good for it, considering the same stuff is used to keep marine life off boats.

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"The issue has been under consideration since the 1990s, when cities south of San Francisco were having trouble meeting Clean Water Act requirements to reduce copper in urban run-off flowing into San Francisco Bay. Preliminary studies indicated that brake pads were a significant source of copper in that runoff. Tiny amounts of copper fall onto the streets and parking lots every time drivers step on their brakes."

from https://www.copper.org/environment/impact/copper-brake.html

As I suspected, it doesn't appear to be primarily a human toxicity concern. It's to protect the marine environment.

Re: Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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This is one reason why I don't like living near freeways, especially near on-ramps, off-ramps, and interchanges. Car pollution isn't just tailpipe emissions - I believe a lot of airborne particulates come from tires and brakes (especially during acceleration, deceleration, and turning). https://www.cdc.gov/air/particulate_matter.html

Up until 97(?) brakes used to be lined with asbestos. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a detectable amount close to highways as well.

Re: Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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post #99
post #7

Are there tires that are not made of plastic?

I dunno about no plastic but there may be less plastic tires. Maybe. When I last bought new tires, I found out that tires lose a ton of their performance even at 50% wear rating. I thought I was doing well picking better tires than factory for my vehicles but it turns out any new tire would have had better handling because it was new. As is common, people don't talk about the problems with their product until they ha…

Boiled linseed oil is flax seed oil that has been processed by (heavy metals as I recall) - the chemical reaction looks like boiling which is why it is called boiled. So this finish is a synthetic plastic by definition.

Re: Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in California coastal waters

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Trains are less efficient than cars on a per mile basis. https://www.theprch.com/this-vs-that/fuel-efficiency-planes-...

When you measure comfort per mile, cars are nearly infinitely superior to trains.

I don't know about that. I've been on some nice trains and I've been in some crappy cars.
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