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Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Even if it may still take some years, I have really high hopes for chiplet GPUs.

Would the GPU have its own RAM or simply share address space with a CPU?

I believe chiplet gpu is meant to be two or three chiplets in one graphics card, not an apu design.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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A more generous interpretation: Intel made decisions that favored actual measurable performance today at the expensive of theoretically known vulnerabilities that might be exploited in some hypothetical future . They gave the market what the market demanded at a cost they tolerated. And even now, after said theoretical vulnerabilities have been reified, there is very little cause to be concerned about the vulnerabili…

Any security researcher or engineer worth their salary is already planning for those theoretical vulnerabilities. Ideas like these are hashed out at the development meeting. Not fixed after the cart has left the barn.

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Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Which buyers exactly? Enthusiasts seem to be switching overwhelmingly to AMD: e.g. Mindfactory having AMD at 81% now. [0] Anecdotally, there seems to be a lot of resentment towards Intel for their shenanigans, I don't personally know anyone who's even considering Intel for their own builds. It's a different matter for laptops where consumers have much less say on the topic, of course. [0] https://m.imgur.com/gallery/…

>It's a different matter for laptops where consumers have much less say on the topic, of course. The rumor is Microsoft's Surface Laptop announced today will be AMD which will be the beginning of the end for Intel as OEMs will fall in line.

I wonder if Intel will resort to dirty tricks like last time, when the Athlon64 came out and offered better performance than the equivalent Intel cpus

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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I've never even considered that a problem - my time between upgrades is so long that the last motherboard had DDR3, and the one before that DDR2. If you're a once a year upgrader I could see it, but given the slow progression of CPU performance as of the last half decade (AMD's rapid jump to parity not withstanding), I can't see a real reason why to upgrade that often.

With a motherboard bought with a Ryzen 1200 quad-core you could upgrade to a Ryzen 3900 12-core. In the same time frame you would have had two or three Intel sockets and chipsets.

And that's why I described my use case - as each chipset pretty much maps to an Intel generation, two or three different Intel generations doesn't provide a compelling reason to upgrade. Again, Ryzen is different, but that's largely because they've been fighting to gain parity with Intel.

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Only if you need this much computing power. The typical webdev can probably get away with a quad core AMD/Intel cpu for <$200. Very few people actually need 12+ cores.

As a web dev running multiple applications at the same time with memory hogs like Chrome and Slack on a dual core work machine, having more cores do help. It come to the point that I will have to ask my boss to replace my machine since it was so sluggish.

I know companies who are handing out new MacBook Pros and Airs with 8GB of memory. Now that's the falsest economy I've ever seen.

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I'm no Intel fanboy, but I think it is too early to speak of Intel's demise. They are still making a lot of money. I mean, AMD only has single digit penetration into the datacentre market, for example, and Intel is still compelling on mobile. And I suspect the real answer is they set their targets too ambitiously with their new node. Their 10nm was simply too big a jump with too many unproven technologies, with too m…

Just look at what happened to amd around 2010. Intel can punch back. Hard.

They weren't bleeding on the portable side of things in 2010. Apple, Microsoft and Google (TPU) all have some sort of custom chips now which aren't x86

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Is there a website that maps popular intel chips / chipsets / builds to AMD competitors? Also, what's the deal with sockets? What sets of intel chips are mutually compatible and incompatible with others, and how does AMD compare?

The deal with the sockets is that the best CPUs stop being compatible with your motherboard only once every 4 or 5 years, and you'll only be denied an upgrade in a decade. In a quick search I got a compatibility enumeration:

http://www.buildcomputers.net/amd-cpu-socket.html

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Gotta hand it to this place, it's one of the few places I visit where 200-300 dollars is considered penny pinching. The other is the country club.

Given the amount of time people on hn spend using their computers, it isnt that surprising. Most people probably spend much less time commuting, but that amount of money is considered reasonable for vehicle maintenence expenses that probably recur more often than people buy a new computer

My last computer I put together about 5+ years ago (i7-4790k, 32gb ram) and did a mid-cycle upgrade a couple years ago (gtx-1080, 1tb nvme, large 4k display).

New computer is X570 mb, 64gb, rx5700xt, using an r5-3600 as a placeholder, I am still waiting on a 3950X, and only pulled the trigger early since my last system was acting up. I don't have the specific costs, but have spent around $1500 so far and will probably lose ~$50 on the 3600 when I upgrade and sell it off. Will probably be 4-5 years until I upgrade again, except I may drop a second and/or third nvme drive in or bump the ram to 128gb.

The difficulties I've had this time around have been around aesthetics, since I didn't have any experience with aRGB it tool a while to figure out what to get, and even then none of the aRGB supports Linux. The 5700 just got swapped in, and I've had trouble with that and will have to correct over the weekend, may wind up on Windows if it's too much of a pain.

I've mostly been working on my work-issued laptop, where I've had separate issues with the battery/charging etc the past month. In the end though, spending a couple grand on a computer every 3-5 years isn't so bad if you're actually doing work on it. I will say, I am surprised how much faster this system actually feels over my old one. Hopefully I can get it stabilized with the new video card soon.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Computers at this level are durable goods and ostensibly help you take an income, so it's not too strange.

Only if you need this much computing power. The typical webdev can probably get away with a quad core AMD/Intel cpu for <$200. Very few people actually need 12+ cores.

Considering I'm using docker to run databases and various services in order to do "webdev" I wouldn't underestimate how useful the extra resources are. I recently upgraded and still feel the strain in some instances.

(r5-3600, waiting for 3950x to drop, upgraded sooner because old system was acting up).

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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How much of Intel’s demise is due to their layoffs from 4 years ago? Did they cut too deep and mess up the secret sauce?

I'm no Intel fanboy, but I think it is too early to speak of Intel's demise. They are still making a lot of money. I mean, AMD only has single digit penetration into the datacentre market, for example, and Intel is still compelling on mobile. And I suspect the real answer is they set their targets too ambitiously with their new node. Their 10nm was simply too big a jump with too many unproven technologies, with too m…

Considering purchasing cycles are over the course of years that's not surprising. My work issued laptop is just over a year old, and I wouldn't expect a new one for another 3-4 years. Not to mention purchasing contracts that are negotiated once or twice a decade that may specify Intel.

AMD is expected to double their penetration by the end of the coming year in the server space, which is huge. I think they'll also make inroads into the laptop space as well. Given that they're the preferred APU for next gen consoles won't hurt their sales to developer channels either.

I would be surprised if they haven't captured about 1/3 of the overall x86 market by the end of 2021, which is where Intel will probably be where they want to be technology wise, until then it's AMDs game.

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