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Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by arvinsim »

gruez wrote: post #55
snagglegaggle wrote: post #25

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Computers at this level are durable goods and ostensibly help you take an income, so it's not too strange.

Only if you need this much computing power. The typical webdev can probably get away with a quad core AMD/Intel cpu for <$200. Very few people actually need 12+ cores.

As a web dev running multiple applications at the same time with memory hogs like Chrome and Slack on a dual core work machine, having more cores do help.

It come to the point that I will have to ask my boss to replace my machine since it was so sluggish.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by vetinari »

wbond wrote: post #73
lunchables wrote: post #59

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>Nvidia's Linux support absolutely puts AMD to shame. Huh? AMD "just works". NVIDIA requires a dance of (Fedora) DKMS kernel modules and binary blobs. What am I missing? I buy AMD just because it's been frictionless to get working, I don't mind if theres a small performance penalty I pay for it.

This is repeated frequently, but I was never able to get my AMD 560 to work on Linux at 4k with MST (or turn down the fan speed). With Nvidia I installed the binary blob and 4k over MST “just worked”. I tried the amdgpu and Pro versions of the drivers. Neither company is perfect with Linux support. As with most things, there are pros and cons to both sides. But for anyone else reading here, just because you pick AMD…

Does MST even work 4k@60 over DP? 4k@60 requires so much bandwidth, that is uses both MST channels (it is internally handled as two monitors); if you want to use both channels separately, you are stuck with 4k@30 at most.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by mindslight »

symfoniq wrote: post #66
creaturemachine wrote: post #39

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Tell that to my 9 year old iMac with the dead GPU that I can't replace, won't start up, and is going straight into the trash. Never again, Apple.

Well, he did say "computers," not "appliances." ;-)

Hey! Don't impugn the serviceability of appliances. When my toaster stopped staying down and heating on one side, I simply opened it up and crimped the broken connection.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by garaetjjte »

selectodude wrote: post #53
coldpie wrote: post #47

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AMD is finally approaching parity in the past year or two, but Nvidia is still ahead in terms of day-to-day usability. It sucks that they're closed, but if you just want to install a driver and have your system work, Nvidia is ahead. Look at this mess: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#AMD Do you want AMDGPU, AMDGPU PRO, ATI, or Catalyst? How do you choose? Let's assume you want open source and recent, so pro…

Also their OpenGL performance is abysmal. On windows isn’t not the biggest deal since everything is DX but on Linux?

Mesa drivers are fine. The one with horrid performance is their proprietary AMDGPU-PRO, but there's no reason to use it. (especially since Mesa now support GL compatibility profile)

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by Filligree »

howdydoo wrote: post #56
tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #26

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Mass market computers and components being described as a durable good...HN surprises again!

I built a PC seven years ago (i7-3770K). It's lasted through multiple apartments and multiple jobs. I do all my dev work and gaming on it, and it's even able to run Slack. How much longer does something need to last before it's considered durable?

I have a food processor that my parents bought nearly fifty years ago. They had to replace the motor once, and then I replaced the wiring on the motor coil four years ago, but it's still ticking. Stainless steel, no plastic components.

(The buttons used to be plastic. Now they're wood.)

That's durable. It also does a much better job than any modern food processor, possibly because the motor is four times the size of what you'd get now.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by Crinus »

vetinari wrote: post #97
coldpie wrote: post #47

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AMD is finally approaching parity in the past year or two, but Nvidia is still ahead in terms of day-to-day usability. It sucks that they're closed, but if you just want to install a driver and have your system work, Nvidia is ahead. Look at this mess: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#AMD Do you want AMDGPU, AMDGPU PRO, ATI, or Catalyst? How do you choose? Let's assume you want open source and recent, so pro…

> Look at this mess: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#AMD Do you want AMDGPU, AMDGPU PRO, ATI, or Catalyst? How do you choose? You don't. Just use what your distribution uses for you. That's one less step, than > you install "nvidia" > If I were buying a new GPU today, I would pick nvidia. I guess you don't mind the problem Nvidia has with Wayland.

> I guess you don't mind the problem Nvidia has with Wayland.

From my perspective of someone who dislikes Wayland, that is a feature of Nvidia's drivers :-P.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by Crinus »

garaetjjte wrote: post #105
selectodude wrote: post #53

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Also their OpenGL performance is abysmal. On windows isn’t not the biggest deal since everything is DX but on Linux?

Mesa drivers are fine. The one with horrid performance is their proprietary AMDGPU-PRO, but there's no reason to use it. (especially since Mesa now support GL compatibility profile)

Mesa drivers are far from fine, they only got rid of the "core only" braindead schism just last year (IIRC) and that was thanks to pressure from AMD to get games working. Even then a lot of Mesa's codepaths are downright awful.

Nvidia had OpenGL as a major focus for decades (it was even the first API to get new features introduced in their hardware via extensions - though nowadays they also seem to do the same with Vulkan) and their OpenGL implementation's quality shows.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by WhompingWindows »

MisterTea wrote: post #31
tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #22

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Gotta hand it to this place, it's one of the few places I visit where 200-300 dollars is considered penny pinching. The other is the country club.

When you have $1000 to drop on a CPU I'm quite sure you can also afford a country club membership ;-).

Can you though? I played piano gigs at a country club where the starting family membership cost was $100k per year, which is the lowest tier of membership, the plebeian level.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by wbond »

vetinari wrote: post #103
wbond wrote: post #73

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This is repeated frequently, but I was never able to get my AMD 560 to work on Linux at 4k with MST (or turn down the fan speed). With Nvidia I installed the binary blob and 4k over MST “just worked”. I tried the amdgpu and Pro versions of the drivers. Neither company is perfect with Linux support. As with most things, there are pros and cons to both sides. But for anyone else reading here, just because you pick AMD…

Does MST even work 4k@60 over DP? 4k@60 requires so much bandwidth, that is uses both MST channels (it is internally handled as two monitors); if you want to use both channels separately, you are stuck with 4k@30 at most.

Yes, MST absolutely can do 4k at 60hz. This is what the first Dell 32" 4k used.

My rMBP has been able to do this since February, 2014. I was trying to get my RX 560 in mid 2018 to do this and it just was not possible via any means with Ubuntu 18.04. I ended up using an Nvidia 1040 with the binary drivers without issue. The nouveau driver for the 1040 was able to do it with a newer kernel than Ubuntu 18.04 had (I was using Arch for that test).

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