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Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by zozbot234 »

TomVDB wrote: post #86
zozbot234 wrote: post #41

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CUDA is a vendor lock-in scheme. Use OpenCL or Vulkan instead (yes, Vulkan includes support for compute, not just graphics!). AMD supports both, in addition to tools like HIP to help you port legacy CUDA code.

CUDA is result of being the first mover in an emerging field over a decade ago. It’s a lock in scheme the way Excel is a lock in scheme for Microsoft: a product that provides value which is used to generate revenue. Using Vulkan(?) or OpenCL for deep learning is fine if your goal is helping get out the word that it’s at least possible to do so. It’s not a great idea if you simply want to get your work done with a min…

"The prominent packages" for deep learning are all open source. If they don't support OpenCL or Vulkan yet, you can work on it and contribute the feature upstream. It's a matter of getting the ball rolling to start with, nothing more than that.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by new_realist »

zozbot234 wrote: post #32
andrewstuart wrote: post #27

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The real problem is that AMD doesn't invest enough in the software. Nvidia's Linux support absolutely puts AMD to shame. The biggest lesson in hardware is that "it's the software support, stupid". Too many hardware manufacturers think they are selling hardware alone. They are selling hardware AND the software that makes it work. A computer is useless without software support. Witness the vast array of essentially use…

Nvidia's Linux support? AMD actually has open source drivers these days, just like Intel, Nvidia just gives you a binary module, which means in order to make use of that hardware you have to taint your kernel and aren't free to update it if the in-kernel ABI changes. It's basically on par with the vendors of all those "useless ARM devices out there", none of them with "usable Linux support".

AMD doesn’t support 8K monitors under Linux. I agree, NVIDIA has far better usability for most users. The fact that it’s a binary blob means nothing to anyone who isn’t an OSS activist.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by HelloNurse »

OrgNet wrote: post #90
gruez wrote: post #55

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Only if you need this much computing power. The typical webdev can probably get away with a quad core AMD/Intel cpu for <$200. Very few people actually need 12+ cores.

very few really need more then 1 core...

It could be argued that some "developers" should be restricted to pencil and paper, but it's a different issue. Even hipsters deserve to multitask at their computer.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by Someone1234 »

BoorishBears wrote: post #63
PedroBatista wrote: post #30

Intel's offering still looks bad compared to AMD. Before the price cuts it looked pathetic, so I guess it's an improvement.

Why is it with every AMD sales-related submission I see, the level of discourse in the comments is barely one step above name calling? My pet theory is that there's just a ton of casual investors who have also become emotionally invested in AMD...

They called Intel's old price "pathetic." That's hardly a low level of discourse, and not really tantamount to name calling.

It isn't a particularly insightful comment, I'll acknowledge that, but this response seems like it lowers the quality of the thread more than the comment it is replying to (and arguably breaks the sites rules by suggesting the other poster have ulterior motives for posting what they posted).

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

And:

> Please don't make insinuations about astroturfing. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried, email us and we'll look at the data.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by nvrspyx »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #82
wil421 wrote: post #81

I am getting served ads that are redirecting my browser 10 times and showing something like those scammy Amazon gift card ads. On mobile safari.

Yeah it has gotten worse. You should run an adblocker on your iOS device.

To add, I recommend Adguard, 1Blocker X, Wipr, or Firefox Focus. Out of those, I believe only 1Blocker X has a cost, although AdGuard has a subscription for DNS privacy and security/custom filters.

I personally use 1Blocker X.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by jumpingmice »

distances wrote: post #28
Jonnax wrote: post #20

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I guess so but for a lot of buyers they're not even considering AMD. They're just using it as a stick to beat Intel with for a better deal.

Which buyers exactly? Enthusiasts seem to be switching overwhelmingly to AMD: e.g. Mindfactory having AMD at 81% now. [0] Anecdotally, there seems to be a lot of resentment towards Intel for their shenanigans, I don't personally know anyone who's even considering Intel for their own builds. It's a different matter for laptops where consumers have much less say on the topic, of course. [0] https://m.imgur.com/gallery/…

I think he means relevant buyers, like Google and Apple etc. People who order their CPUs by the cubic meter.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by vetinari »

coldpie wrote: post #47
zozbot234 wrote: post #32

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Nvidia's Linux support? AMD actually has open source drivers these days, just like Intel, Nvidia just gives you a binary module, which means in order to make use of that hardware you have to taint your kernel and aren't free to update it if the in-kernel ABI changes. It's basically on par with the vendors of all those "useless ARM devices out there", none of them with "usable Linux support".

AMD is finally approaching parity in the past year or two, but Nvidia is still ahead in terms of day-to-day usability. It sucks that they're closed, but if you just want to install a driver and have your system work, Nvidia is ahead. Look at this mess: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#AMD Do you want AMDGPU, AMDGPU PRO, ATI, or Catalyst? How do you choose? Let's assume you want open source and recent, so pro…

> Look at this mess: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#AMD Do you want AMDGPU, AMDGPU PRO, ATI, or Catalyst? How do you choose?

You don't. Just use what your distribution uses for you. That's one less step, than

> you install "nvidia"

> If I were buying a new GPU today, I would pick nvidia.

I guess you don't mind the problem Nvidia has with Wayland.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by HelloNurse »

chapium wrote: post #58
wbhart wrote: post #19

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I'm no Intel fanboy, but I think it is too early to speak of Intel's demise. They are still making a lot of money. I mean, AMD only has single digit penetration into the datacentre market, for example, and Intel is still compelling on mobile. And I suspect the real answer is they set their targets too ambitiously with their new node. Their 10nm was simply too big a jump with too many unproven technologies, with too m…

Just look at what happened to amd around 2010. Intel can punch back. Hard.

Intel could punch hard around 2010. We'll see what they'll be able to do now.

Improving the price (not the quality) of their high-end product range from vastly inferior to slightly inferior is, at best, an attempt to remain relevant; new and better products are needed to recover actual market share, and their timeline remains doubtful.

Re: Intel slashes prices in face of AMD competition

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Post by account42 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #76
zozbot234 wrote: post #32

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Nvidia's Linux support? AMD actually has open source drivers these days, just like Intel, Nvidia just gives you a binary module, which means in order to make use of that hardware you have to taint your kernel and aren't free to update it if the in-kernel ABI changes. It's basically on par with the vendors of all those "useless ARM devices out there", none of them with "usable Linux support".

> which means in order to make use of that hardware you have to taint your kernel and aren't free to update it if the in-kernel ABI changes. I have difficulty placing all the blame on Nvidia here since it is the kernel developers long-held disdain for stable driver ABIs that Nvidia feels forces their hand. There are those who argue otherwise, but that argument is basically "all software should be open source". Even i…

Nvidia can release an open-source kernel driver. They have just figured out that inconveniencing their customers is cheaper than paying developers.
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