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Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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Random facts from living 3 months there on why this could be a high potential country: * 10% income tax (second lowest in EU), 5% dividend tax * Very low costs of living (rent is 300-400 eur for a flat in Sofia) * Relatively easy to start companies * It's quite safe, at least safer than Naples from where I am from * Very good quality of food * Close to the seaside (about 3 hours from Greek coast also) * Nice summers…

I hope the new Greek government manages to compete with this, so the next post will advertise Greece in this way. Most of your list applies here as well, except we have amazing food and beaches.

How do apartment prices / rents compare though?

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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Just wondering if there is any solution to this. If you incentivise people (financially) to return, you discriminate against the local population. You can try to slow down emigration by building up the economy, but the wage differences are still so large compared to Western Europe that you couldn't stop emigration entirely. It's a tough problem to solve.

there is nothing to solve, Bulgaria is demographically dead, nothing to see, move along, mind the gap...

That's a very far-fetched statement

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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And assuming the EU's freedom of movement holds eventually people and business will realize this and move there. Then they'll do what everyone else does shoot themselves in the foot by making everything expensive. Eventually the new growth will happen elsewhere and the cycle will repeat.

Interesting that you say that, lets look at Poland. They saw a decrease in skilled workers and young who moved around the EU for better opertunities. This saw many parts of Poland become ghost towns. This got to a head and the goverment in Poland got to the point that they introduced a new TAX system. One comparable to USA TAX for nationals in that it didn't matter what part of the World you lived in or earned your m…

> One comparable to USA TAX for nationals in that it didn't matter what part of the World you lived in or earned your money, you as a national would now pay tax.

This is not the case.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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I had a professor years ago that emigrated from Bulgaria. He said he could've lived like a king there with relatives in the corrupt train sector/mafia, but came to the US to teach as an adjunct instead. That about sums it up.

Corruption is mentioned in the comments here but I'm disappointed it wasn't mentioned in the article.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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What are the tech salaries like in Bulgaria?

My cousin is in his 20's, roughly makes 10,000/ month (~ $5600 USD). That salary is absolutely amazing. The article states the minimum monthly salary is $320 ( which a large amount of people make, given that Bulgaria lacks a middle class). The reason he stays in Bulgaria is because of that, he wanted to come join me in the US, but he didn't want to emigrate. edit: mrtksn's comment hits the nail on top of the head.

That's gross salary, right? It would be the top of the range in Hungary (gross also).

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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And assuming the EU's freedom of movement holds eventually people and business will realize this and move there. Then they'll do what everyone else does shoot themselves in the foot by making everything expensive. Eventually the new growth will happen elsewhere and the cycle will repeat.

Does that actually work that way? AFAIK the US freedom of movement is mostly resulting in greater and greater concentration... the only non-urban areas that are getting more and more popular are general "nice" (i.e. geographically advantageous) areas, like Florida and ski resorts.

Aren't Californians moving to Idaho and Oregon

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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I hope the new Greek government manages to compete with this, so the next post will advertise Greece in this way. Most of your list applies here as well, except we have amazing food and beaches.

Seconding this. I was recently for 2 weeks in Santorini, which is considered pretty expensive compared to the rest of Greece, and everything was actually very affordable (esp. if you learn to keep your distance from the more tourist-infested areas). The whole time during my stay I kept thinking how nice it would be to work from there. Clear blue sky, beaches and fresh grilled fish. Wow.

I have been to santorini this summer. It's an area which is not comparable to the rest of greece. A raxi to dea sunset during the afternoon can easily be 30 eur and we are talking about a distance of 7 km.

Maybe off-season it's affordable. But combined with Mykonos it's an area where the term highway robbery comes ro mind.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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A side effect of a stagnant economy and population shrinkage is that Bulgarian property is really cheap. You can purchase a modern flat starting around $15,000 (or rent for really cheap) in a ski community with a very strong remote worker presence (Bansko). If you do this right, you can also become a resident and benefit from a flat 10% income tax which is lowest in the EU. No affiliation; I just find this type of ar…

That 10% income tax is slightly misleading in that you'll also have to pay social security on your personal income, which is up to 26%. So it's not as if you can pay yourself 100k€ and get 90k€ in your pocket (and while a 10% corporate tax is attractive, it's not out of line with other EU countries like Ireland, Hungary, Estonia, Malta...).

You can pay the social insurance for the equivalent of the minimum salary (around 75€ monthly) and pay yourself a dividend. Personal tax on the dividends is 5%.

Re: Bulgaria is the world’s fastest-shrinking country

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Interesting that you say that, lets look at Poland. They saw a decrease in skilled workers and young who moved around the EU for better opertunities. This saw many parts of Poland become ghost towns. This got to a head and the goverment in Poland got to the point that they introduced a new TAX system. One comparable to USA TAX for nationals in that it didn't matter what part of the World you lived in or earned your m…

> One comparable to USA TAX for nationals in that it didn't matter what part of the World you lived in or earned your money, you as a national would now pay tax. This is not the case.

Can confirm, I'm Polish and it's the first time I've heard of this.
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