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Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Wonder if this will have an impact on plastic straw bans on land. It was always a feel-good hi-viz, low-impact measure given little evidence behind the measures.

We need to do both. Push for ships to reduce their environmental impact (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_shippi...) AND take individual action.

Saving the planet - an enormous and incredibly complex task, will undoubtedly require quite a bit of individual action and behaviour change. To do without a straw or bringing your own cup can be a commitment to such behaviour change, to accept and act on whatever reasonable measure we find out to be important. Finding out that, say, producing a bamboo straw or cleaning the reusable mug takes more energy than producing plastic straws and cups should not be taken as a reason to mock well-intentioned actions (not saying that you did), but rather to iterate and figure out real solutions.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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I've traveled the entire coastline of Vietnam and much of Cambodia. It is entirely covered in plastic trash. There is even plastic in all the rivers way up in the mountains. I can't imagine this just being Chinese ships.

It's a relative measure.

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Wonder if this will have an impact on plastic straw bans on land. It was always a feel-good hi-viz, low-impact measure given little evidence behind the measures.

> It was always a feel-good hi-viz, low-impact measure given little evidence behind the measures.

I think the EU when banning this had data, they sampled garbage they found on various beaches and decided that straws are both common and easy to replace.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Wonder if this will have an impact on plastic straw bans on land. It was always a feel-good hi-viz, low-impact measure given little evidence behind the measures.

One problem with banning plastic straws as well is that many disabled people are dependent on them to be able to drink. AFAIK the alternatives (other kinds of straws) don't work well.

Problem? There is a solution though: https://www.sulapac.com/

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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So the problem is not bad habits from consumers or the over-use of disposable plastic containers, it's some rogue Chinese ships. How convenient.

The question is not if those are bad, the question is where does that plastic come from. over-use of disposable plastic is bad independently from whether it ends in the ocean or not. But if you want to reduce this specific pollution you need to actually understand where it comes from.

There are two different things at stake here.

1. The study. Scientific work is essential to the understanding of the dynamics of ocean pollutions. Nothing to criticize here.

2. The press coverage. Interestingly enough, it comes from a French media. You're probably not aware of that if you don't live in France (especially because of the big marketing stance on environmental issues Macron is taking of the international scene) but there is a huge reactionary movement against environmental policies nowadays in the medias in France. This article, and the editorial angle taken around the study, completely fits into that (worrysome) trend.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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This is known. The number I have heard floated around is 45%. So, commercial fishing nets are a big problem when it comes to plastic in the oceans.

And here we are "saving the planet", by reducing the plastic straw consumption:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/18/anti-straw-mo...

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-06-07/plasti...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/business/plastic-straws-b...

Mental gymnastics at its best:

> “Whether it’s 500 million or 500 a day, we shouldn’t lose sight of the real issue: Straws should be disposed of properly and should never, ever be littered on land or in waterways,” she said.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Most of this comes from a single type of ship waste: "Half of the great Pacific garbage patch is made up of fishing nets, by weight, according to a report published last year in Scientific Reports."

So the ocean is being overfished and is being polluted by fishing. The clear answer is to ban fishing. Though, as someone who dislikes all seafood, this is easy for me to say.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Most of this comes from a single type of ship waste: "Half of the great Pacific garbage patch is made up of fishing nets, by weight, according to a report published last year in Scientific Reports."

So the ocean is being overfished and is being polluted by fishing. The clear answer is to ban fishing. Though, as someone who dislikes all seafood, this is easy for me to say.

Seafood haters unite! You're the only other person I've ever found who doesn't like seafood, I feel like we should form a club or something.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Most of this comes from a single type of ship waste: "Half of the great Pacific garbage patch is made up of fishing nets, by weight, according to a report published last year in Scientific Reports."

So the ocean is being overfished and is being polluted by fishing. The clear answer is to ban fishing. Though, as someone who dislikes all seafood, this is easy for me to say.

There are types of fishing we really should think about banning because of the harm the cause to the ocean ecosystem. And that's before you take into account the fishing net waste.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Extensive air pollution from China or India that surpasses the West also doesn't seem to get much attention, e.g. [1] [2]

Greta visited the US and gave some compelling speeches. Will she visit China and India and do the same?

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/07/01/china-emits-...

[2] https://qz.com/india/1581665/indias-carbon-emissions-growing...

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