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Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by PakG1 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #189
master-litty wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdata: Not true. Most people aren't even aware of recent events. My circle of friends is a pretty wide net and only one coworker knows about the Boeing nonsense, and he admitted it was because of Hacker News.

Surely people have noticed the thousands of cancelled flights?

How many people do you know who frequently took flights right at the time when this was all happening? If I were not an avid reader of the news, I'd have no clue. Before this, I also would not have cared to check what airplane my flight was when I did fly.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by chrisseaton »

PakG1 wrote: post #191
chrisseaton wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely people have noticed the thousands of cancelled flights?

How many people do you know who frequently took flights right at the time when this was all happening? If I were not an avid reader of the news, I'd have no clue. Before this, I also would not have cared to check what airplane my flight was when I did fly.

> How many people do you know who frequently took flights right at the time when this was all happening?

They’re still being cancelled daily now! I know AA alone is cancelling over 100 flights a day. It’s not something in the past.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by GuB-42 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #189
master-litty wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdata: Not true. Most people aren't even aware of recent events. My circle of friends is a pretty wide net and only one coworker knows about the Boeing nonsense, and he admitted it was because of Hacker News.

Surely people have noticed the thousands of cancelled flights?

Not if you are not affected by them.

The thousands of canceled flights are over millions, and the average person doesn't fly that much. Around one round trip a year in the US.

In fact, while I am very aware of the B737-MAX fiasco because I am interested in the technical side of things, I didn't even realize there were thousands of canceled flights. Sure, it is something I should know, but it is not like canceled flights are a remarkable event, and because I wasn't affected by it, I didn't really think about it.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by notacoward »

chrisseaton wrote: post #192
PakG1 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people do you know who frequently took flights right at the time when this was all happening? If I were not an avid reader of the news, I'd have no clue. Before this, I also would not have cared to check what airplane my flight was when I did fly.

> How many people do you know who frequently took flights right at the time when this was all happening? They’re still being cancelled daily now! I know AA alone is cancelling over 100 flights a day . It’s not something in the past.

Are they canceling those flights, or are they not offering them? It's a big difference. People notice when a flight they've already booked is canceled. They don't notice flights that were never shown to them in the first place. I fly regularly between Boston and Seattle. I've noticed that my choice of flights is less than it was, but if I were a less regular flier on that route I'd have no idea that the selection was even reduced let alone of the reasons.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by eternalban »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #158
mc32 wrote: post #157

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Russia has expertise building airliners. Wonder why manufacturers never took to producing there for cheap labor? My guess is China leveraged their market potential to entice cos to take some of their mfg to China.

Russian industry was taken over by the mafia. That is much less tenable than the situation with China.

http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_m...

Somehow I sense you did not intend irony.

[main stream version: https://www.thenation.com/article/harvard-boys-do-russia/]

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by KoftaBob »

dang wrote: post #149
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. Those discussions are all the same, i.e. predictable, i.e. lacking in curiosity and therefore off topic here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

My apologies, definitely not my intention. Was more-so a personal rant on the importance of meritocracy. Noted.

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Post by mtnGoat »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #181
russler23 wrote: post #139

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So do you think DEC was spying on Intel during the Alpha days? Whatever they could’ve learned wouldn’t be worth the effort.

Everyone tries to get the other guy's secrets. I don't know a company that doesn't. How far would they go? That depends. Sometimes governments help...

your assumptions and blanket statements about everyone doing things is just wrong. Its like someone who promises anything @ 100%... you know they aren't truthful, because nothing is 100%. How would you know what info the other guy gave you isn't a fools errand rather then useful info? Counterintelligence is a thing.

Lots of companies don't pay attention to their competitors aside from just passing glances. Sometimes your competitions action is not in any way visible to you, for instance when trying to win top secret gov design contracts. When you are on the bleeding edge or the only one working on something, there is just no need. I could come up with a lot of reasons why spying is useless(not saying it doesn't have a use, just not useful in every case as you propose)... but i guess i am confident in things, rather than paranoid. Worrying about what someone else is doing is just wasting time, unless they are coming for you.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by mytailorisrich »

mtnGoat wrote: post #197
mytailorisrich wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone tries to get the other guy's secrets. I don't know a company that doesn't. How far would they go? That depends. Sometimes governments help...

your assumptions and blanket statements about everyone doing things is just wrong. Its like someone who promises anything @ 100%... you know they aren't truthful, because nothing is 100%. How would you know what info the other guy gave you isn't a fools errand rather then useful info? Counterintelligence is a thing. Lots of companies don't pay attention to their competitors aside from just passing glances. Sometimes…

My comment is not an assumption or a blanket statement, it's the simple reality.

There is never a single company working on the bleeding edge. Those who are take a lot of precautions to keep their secrets and are keen to learn their competitors' secrets.

If you work on the cutting edge in tech just send your CV to your company's main competitor. They'll be quick to invite you for interview... To buy your competitor's product to take it apart and study it is also a time-honoured classic. These are just basic examples.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by dang »

eganist wrote: post #163
dang wrote: post #155

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Please don't post insinuations of astroturfing or similar manipulation ("Flag brigade") without evidence. If you're concerned about abuse, please follow the site guidelines and email hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Hm, I didn't bucket flag-brigading into the astroturfing bucket (specifically because they're quite different - one suppresses speech whereas the other purports to be grassroots speech). Your point is well taken, but going forward dang, there's value in adding the "or similar manipulation" qualifier to the current iteration of guidelines: > Please don't make insinuations about astroturfing. It degrades discussion and…

For sure it's constructive. I'll see about expanding the wording.

Edit: ok, done. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by dang »

munificent wrote: post #166
dang wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing without evidence. It poisons the well, and the overwhelming majority of such comments are based on imagination only. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Honest guestion: I understand that unfounded allegations of astroturfing are not helpful. But does HN have systems in place to avoid malicious manipulation like this?

We have lots of anti-abuse measures, and they catch things. But of course we don't know what we don't know.

The issue with unfounded accusations is not that real abuse doesn't exist (it does); it's that internet users are overwhelmingly too quick to believe that they're seeing organized manipulation when really all they're seeing is something they dislike or find annoying. Such accusations need to clear some bar or they flood the forum and do more damage to it than the abuses they're imagining would do.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

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