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Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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post #768

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I don't think the military uses too many small caliber semi-auto rifles. Any modern military rifle I can think of was banned for new sale in 1986.

5.56x45mm? Aka .223 Remington? 7.62x51mm? Aka .308 Winchester? Only two of the most common NATO standards.

This is incorrect. 5.56 != .223 Remington, same for 7.62

It's actually very dangerous to former in civilian guns, designed for latter.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#832

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> The US is an empire. Not based on governmental control, but based on financial control. But people in the US can remove legislatures and the top executive(the President). Do people in China have that option?

This sinister & pervasive line of thought terrifies me. Too many Americans under 40 share similar thoughts: my vote doesn't count, some mysterious corporate/billionaire $$ controls everything so why bother, antipathy etc. It's scary that many actually believe this and thus self-fulfill their prophecy because they don't get involved and don't vote. To further amplify this detrimental affect, there are state-sponsored…

Don't mistake my seeing things for how they are as apathy. That's a false equivalence. I absolutely support getting out and participating in the political process, but it's important to understand just how much of what happens is completely out of our control because how else do we fix that? The act of noticing and speaking of this is not the same as the act of giving up.

Also, my responses were a reality check in the face of the propaganda you're speaking of. The "the US is the most free and moral country!" folks are getting a much bigger dose of force-fed freedom than anybody else.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#833

> Imagine if the US suddenly had a dictator This is why we have the second amendment. And the constitution as the thing to which office-holders swear allegiance to rather than to "the party" or "the president".

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21125050 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#834
post #300
post #42

This is not the first time the HKPF has used overt force on a protester, just the first time it has done so publicly. Several protesters have already been "disappeared", and there are many stories coming out of brutal torture against activists. If Beijing authorities have learned one thing from Tiananmen Square, it's that in the internet age violent suppression must happen in private places, where it cannot be record…

> Several protesters have already been "disappeared", and there are many stories coming out of brutal torture against activists. Are these backed by evidence, or just rumours? Of course the protestors will blame the police, and the police may blame the protestors too.

Rumours mostly. See below for an example.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d0tnei/missing_pe...

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#835
post #349

This might sound alarmist, but do you think China is the biggest upcoming global problem after climate change? For two reasons: 1. China has a totalitarian ruling system. They intend to realize George Orwell's 1984. 2. Present-day China essentially has no ethics. Take the US in comparison. No matter how perverse the people in power become and even if they do messed up things, the US has some founding morals and princ…

Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. This is not at all what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#836
post #349

This might sound alarmist, but do you think China is the biggest upcoming global problem after climate change? For two reasons: 1. China has a totalitarian ruling system. They intend to realize George Orwell's 1984. 2. Present-day China essentially has no ethics. Take the US in comparison. No matter how perverse the people in power become and even if they do messed up things, the US has some founding morals and princ…

> US has some founding morals and principles they do not forget. Excuse my french, but what the fuck are you talking about? How about imprisoning and torturing US citizens without due process in the name of a nebulous war that only gets worse the more we fight it? What about all the puppet governments we've set up so that our corporate overlords can make a quick buck at the expense of some country who's resources we…

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. This is not at all what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#837
post #517

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I don't think you've thought this through; you won't be fighting soldiers in your little quest for rebellion, you'll be fighting your neighbor, because your neighbor thinks you're a fucking dumbass who he'd rather kill than reason with, because of how little you've respected honest discourse and conversation over a long period of time. To create an American insurgency would be to threaten everyone around you, and no…

>you'll be fighting your neighbor, because your neighbor thinks you're a fucking dumbass who he'd rather kill than reason with, because of how little you've respected honest discourse and conversation over a long period of time. I normally wouldn't respond to a post like this, but if you are thinking about hurting people that you disagree with, please seek out some help. This sentence honestly reads like a warning fl…

> I normally wouldn't respond to a post like this, but if you are thinking about hurting people that you disagree with, please seek out some help. This sentence honestly reads like a warning flag to me for someone who has reached their limit for debating peacefully with others.

Yeah, that "how little you've respected honest discourse and conversation" comment seems a little self-revealing especially when coupled with that latest edit.

This is definitely "I was just threatening you as a hypothetical, bro!" territory

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#838

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If you have a gun in your house and are responsible with it, nobody will be at risk.

How do I know if you are responsible? Do your children have access? Are you sure they can't find the key or figure out the code? A couple months ago a friend of a friend was killed because a boy from school brought a gun from home to their house to show off and was playing with it. He thought it was empty. It wasn't. Now a girl is dead, a boy's life is ruined, and their families are devastated. This happens all the t…

I think making parents liable for violence caused by their children who gain access to their weapons is a reasonable regulation, and some states have already passed laws to this effect.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#839

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You chose to ignore both the fact that the rest of the arguments are perfectly valid and that the clarification I made right below still stands. The aggressive tone you chose to use is both unnecessary and unwelcome.

>you'd be hard pressed to find one where the dictator gave up even when the insurgents were backed by strong armies like the US. Here's a list of coups. Many were successful. I'm not sure why you are trying to argue that coups don't work. The Arab Spring is a recent example of this very thing, isn't it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_d%27état_and_cou... >Very few (if any) shootings were ever really preve…

>The first part of your second assertion that "very few shootings were ever prevented by a citizen," is also easily invalidated by a google search.

Another contributing factor is that mass shootings themselves are rare, and the rate of citizens carrying is low compared to the firearm ownership rate.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

#840
post #817

Ah yes, if Chinese police did it, its barbaric. US cops do far worse on a daily basis and are worshiped as heroes and literally get away with murder without so much as a charge.

I expect this cop won't be meaningfully punished either
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