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Of specific guns, namely rifles designed for military use. Shotguns, pistols, and low-capacity rifles are still fine.
Yes you don't need AR-15 for basic protection.
Except from zombie hordes.
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#772Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Any discussion of gun control in America must account for the self-defense rights of Americans who do not have adequate protection from the police. Interestingly, that would be most of them, with the supreme court ruling that the police does not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...
Owning a gun makes it 2-3x more likely someone in your family will die by a gun. So it makes you less safe, not more. https://slate.com/technology/2015/01/good-guy-with-a-gun-myt... And it definitely makes it less safe for the rest of us in society.
correlation != causality
If someone has threatened you with a gun or you live in an area with increased gun violence, I would expect that greatly increases the chances that you'd want to acquire your own. This cohort would already be at a much higher risk of gun death before they owned a gun as well.
There has never been a placebo controlled double blind study on gun ownership. Probably never will be because of ethical concerns.
It probably does increase risk, but I expect the effect size is much lower than 2-3x.
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>2A is absolutely not about individual rights. No Founder ever talked about it in this way. It's about militias. Absolutely untrue. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776 I don't need to refute it any further with additional quotes., it's a ridiculous statement. Furthermore the mentioning of the recent Heller case in the Supreme Court is not an a…
I don't see TJ talking about 2A there. Edit: Thought I would reply to your Heller stuff too. It's an appeal to authority because it's selective. The precedent when the Court decided Heller was set by Miller [1], which reads at the outset (emphasis mine): > The Court cannot take judicial notice that a shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches long has today any reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency o…
I guess you're right. Now, what to do about the 400 million or so weapons in private hands? Should the National Guards of each state get those since they are the rightful militia?
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In my experience when these people are made the least bit uncomfortable in any social situation they immediately call the police. They're not who they pretend to be online.
Ironic, their first inclination is to call people who have the "murder guns" that they complain heavily about.
Because they represent authority and the law just like in any other country. The fact that LEOs carry guns is because they are surrounded by a lot of other individuals who are unable to take smart decisions while wielding a deadly firearm.
Your statement is forced just to make the point. I don't think the gun control topic was ever related to law enforcement or military personnel carrying guns. It's more about having guns easily accessible to violent and repeat offenders, mentally unstable people, etc.
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#775Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Any discussion of gun control in America must account for the self-defense rights of Americans who do not have adequate protection from the police. Interestingly, that would be most of them, with the supreme court ruling that the police does not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...
Owning a gun makes it 2-3x more likely someone in your family will die by a gun. So it makes you less safe, not more. https://slate.com/technology/2015/01/good-guy-with-a-gun-myt... And it definitely makes it less safe for the rest of us in society.
If you have a gun in your house and are responsible with it, nobody will be at risk.
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#776Saw some of the videos and reports, it is awful. One thing I don't understand - these cops are also from HK, correct? The protestors are fighting for the cops rights too, correct? If that is true, what is going on in the mind of a cop who is beating an unarmed protestor? Or are these cops from mainland China?
cops are trained to view their own population as hostile everywhere
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I agree. Similarly, most people who live in rural areas also have a need for guns to protect themselves adequately - from animals as well as malicious people - as police and other state protection can be an hour or more away when they try to respond rapidly. I prefer to focus on the Black Panthers use case because there is an interesting cognitive dissonance in the modern left in that anti-racism and gun control are…
As a Canadian, I’m always confused at how safe Americans think a gun makes them when in the woods. Guns are not a good defence against many wild animals. Get some bear spray, it is dramatically more effective and will not kill somebody as easily if you accidentally shoot a person in the dark! Point taken about the civil rights marches though
Yeah, I think bear spray is usually a more appropriate form of defense against animal attacks: in addition to effectiveness, when humans go to their 'home' it is unfair for animals' natural defense or feeding behaviors to cause their deaths.
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If the USA implemented all of Switzerland’s gun laws, a citizen who passes a background check would be able to buy a newly-made full-automatic machine gun that is not allowed in the US outside of law enforcement or military. I’m not sure that is what you’re implying that you’d want.
> If the USA implemented all of Switzerland’s gun laws, a citizen who passes a background check would be able to buy a newly-made full-automatic machine gun that is not allowed in the US outside of law enforcement or military. But they wouldn't get access to the ammo needed to use those guns, which are stored in a central community location to combat an unwanted suicide problem (and aren't they semi-auto anyways?). T…
The people are the militia. The first clause of the 2nd amendment doesn’t mean what you think it means.
Good article on this:
https://www.mic.com/articles/24210/gun-control-myth-the-seco...
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#779Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Any discussion of gun control in America must account for the self-defense rights of Americans who do not have adequate protection from the police. Interestingly, that would be most of them, with the supreme court ruling that the police does not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...
Owning a gun makes it 2-3x more likely someone in your family will die by a gun. So it makes you less safe, not more. https://slate.com/technology/2015/01/good-guy-with-a-gun-myt... And it definitely makes it less safe for the rest of us in society.
And the same goes for owning a car or having a pool in your back yard. That doesn't make it not worth it.
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#780Earlier quoted context omitted.
Owning a gun makes it 2-3x more likely someone in your family will die by a gun. So it makes you less safe, not more. https://slate.com/technology/2015/01/good-guy-with-a-gun-myt... And it definitely makes it less safe for the rest of us in society.
If you have a gun in your house and are responsible with it, nobody will be at risk.
That argument is pretty much a "no true Scotsman" type argument.
You can't discard datapoints you don't like because they're not "responsible" firearm holders.