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Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

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Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

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Where can I read the decision? Article is paywalled. Edit: here it is: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.165519/...

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/730386096/federal-judge-rules... Also links to an SC case that will likely be cited should they decide to take up this one (which seems unlikely IMHO).

We changed the URL to that from https://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-determines-harvard-s-race..., which is hard-paywalled.

Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think that? Discriminating by race for hiring is explicitly illegal, so wherever it's happening, it's already happening despite the law.

Discriminating by race for college admissions is also explicitly illegal. (Edit: see https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/hq43e4.html ) The law only matters inasmuch as it can be enforced. If judges decline to enforce the law when they believe it’s in the interest of diversity to discriminate against a specific race like Asians, it could equally apply to employment where similar diversity initiatives are t…

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Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

#33

Wow - this sets a bad precedent. This might now encourage companies to now discriminate against Asias in hiring as well. There are already murmurs in the Valley about how there are too many Asians in tech.

Slippery slope is a sloppy parallel to make here when the gatekeepers in tech are overwhelmingly white men.

Please don't burn programs won in the Civil Rights struggle to the ground. That is making an alliance with and performing a service for white supremacy.

Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

#35

This specific ruling at the lower court is mostly inconsequential. DOJ will immediately appeal, and I don't think anyone doubts for a second that it will ultimately be decided by SCOTUS.

It wasn’t the DOJ filing this lawsuit.

Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

#36

This specific ruling at the lower court is mostly inconsequential. DOJ will immediately appeal, and I don't think anyone doubts for a second that it will ultimately be decided by SCOTUS.

I didn't think the DOJ was involved here?

Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

#37
For perspective, here are the Harvard vs US demographics, sorted by most to least represented [1,2,3,4]:

    Jewish: 14.0% vs 2.6% (5.38x)
    Asian American: 25.3% vs 5.3% (4.77x)
    Native Hawaiian: 0.6% vs 0.2% (3.00x)
    Native American: 1.8% vs 0.7% (2.57x)
    African American: 14.3% vs 12.7% (1.13x)
    Hispanic or Latino: 12.2% vs 17.6% (0.69x)
    non-Jewish white: 33.0% vs 58.9% (0.56x)
[1] https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics

[2] https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/how-many-jewish-undergraduat...

[3] https://features.thecrimson.com/2016/freshman-survey/lifesty...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews, upper estimate used

Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

#38
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It's like we have these two irreconcilable ideas: - Diversity is good - Discrimination is bad When 50% of the world's population is from China/India, how do you both promote diversity and not discriminate?

Then you start focusing in the diversity within those extremely large countries and groups of people. So further partition once the US becomes saturated with a more accurate representation of who lives on this planet.

Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process

#39

Wow - this sets a bad precedent. This might now encourage companies to now discriminate against Asias in hiring as well. There are already murmurs in the Valley about how there are too many Asians in tech.

There's people saying there's too many whites and males in tech too.

There's people in Quebec Canada saying there's too many who speaks English in Quebec.
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