Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
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Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
#2Absolute madness. Of course they discriminate against Asians.
Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
#3The entire problem is that we categorize people into different buckets. "White", "Black", "Asian", etc.
Admissions must be race blind. In general our society must be race blind. "White" people were once Polish, Italian, German, etc. Yet these identities have melted away over generations in large part because society did not and does not actively reinforce these identities.
By forcing people into these buckets we reinforce the very divisions that we want to overcome.
Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
#4Absolute madness. Of course they discriminate against Asians.
Somehow racism is fine when it’s targeting Asians and Whites.
Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
#5What they should have been examining is why "legacy" (read: people who have already donated, or are likely to donate seriously to Harvard) candidates are so favored...
(Speaking as an old Harvard alum ('76).)
Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
#6Where can I read the decision? Article is paywalled.
Edit: here it is: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.165519/...
Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
#7They ought to do more to at least make students feel less discriminated against.
The question is really how to add transparency and systemization to the process in a way that cannot be gamed. I don’t think everyone believes standardized testing is the answer, so what is it?
My personal opinion is that they will actually create separate admissions pools, under the cover of the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences. The transparency will be about “Fine, for this specific program, we will simply admit the top 400 test scorers” or whatever. Each department will have its own admissions policy and students will be able to choose which to apply to. Everyone gets the same education, opportunities and degree. They will wind up with the same exact class but at least the deal being cut with students is more transparent.
Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
#8Where can I read the decision? Article is paywalled. Edit: here it is: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.165519/...
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/730386096/federal-judge-rules...
Also links to an SC case that will likely be cited should they decide to take up this one (which seems unlikely IMHO).
Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
#9They ought to do more to at least make students feel less discriminated against. The question is really how to add transparency and systemization to the process in a way that cannot be gamed. I don’t think everyone believes standardized testing is the answer, so what is it? My personal opinion is that they will actually create separate admissions pools, under the cover of the School of Engineering and Applied Science…
This is a truly hard problem.
I read somewhere (citation needed) that if truly race-blind admissions were used in the UC system, they'd have 98% Asian students.
(As a dead white male, that's amusing. Just shows how culture affects outcomes.)
Re: Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
#10Wow - this sets a bad precedent. This might now encourage companies to now discriminate against Asias in hiring as well.
There are already murmurs in the Valley about how there are too many Asians in tech.