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Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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Post by jaynetics » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

new2628 wrote: post #540

jaynetics wrote: post #531

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Among the many effects of climate change, 700 million people live in areas that will become almost uninhabitable due to rising sea level and flooding at current emission rates. Do you seriously think that people adapting by speaking a different language is as bad as that?

Yes, on my list the latter is a more serious problem than the first, it is more certain to be happening, and its effects are more permanent.

> more certain

Do you doubt that climate change will displace 100s of millions and destroy many large and distinct cultures (e.g. island states) at current emission rates?

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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Post by tempguy9999 » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

mytailorisrich wrote: post #541

tempguy9999 wrote: post #454

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> At the very least it does mean not suppressing opinions that you consider 'wrong'. true! > This is not black and white. Potentially true, but I feel you're fogging the issue (something that happens a surprising amount of time in these discussions involving china). I distinguished between dissenting comments and bad comments. While that's not utterly B/W it's actually pretty clear. > In fact, and since someone menti…

The downside of freedom of speech is what one has to read, sometimes..

That insinuation that I'm uneducated addresses none of my points. So how about replying to the given issues.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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Post by nyolfen » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 6:00 PM UTC

josephdviviano wrote: post #238

bhupy wrote: post #174

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The US (with its support of the military) has been at war in the Middle East for nearly 2 decades now with insurgents. The argument is not that a rebellious citizenry will necessarily win a war, it's that it will draw out a bloody civil war so long and so expensive as to be a form of mutually assured destruction, the risk of which acts as a check in and of itself.

The fact is that the dictator would still win. The rebellious citizenry would live a life of absolute misery, just as those in the middle east do. The 2nd amendment made a lot of sense when weaponry consisted of horses and rifles, not computer-guided missiles. If there was ever a true US dictator, the 2nd amendment would mostly be used by the oppressed to rob, attack, and oppress one another.

someone should let the taliban know

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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Post by undersuit » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 6:00 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #28

swarnie_ wrote: post #22

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Non-American here, i never really understood your second amendment or how you cling to it in the modern age. What are a couple of rednecks with assault rifles (which arguably they shouldn't be able to purchase anyway) going to do against semi-autonomy kill droids being flown from a bunker in the desert?

The same thing that people in Afghanistan did? It's also not cool to characterize people who have assault rifles or support the 2nd amendment as rednecks. I'm certainly not one. It's actually kind of offensive to even use that term anyway if you ask me.

>It's also not cool to characterize people who have assault rifles or support the 2nd amendment as rednecks. I'm certainly not one. It's actually kind of offensive to even use that term anyway if you ask me.

Is that why I had to vouch for the comment, because you misread it and became offended?

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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Post by rumanator » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 6:02 PM UTC

jhedwards wrote: post #518

danbolt wrote: post #485

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That’s interesting to hear. Not trying to troll, but I’d love to hear about what you have found to be better about it.

I would say the biggest thing is the emphasis on public works. Wherever I went I was awed by the extent of things that were built just for the public. In the city where I lived there they built a new fancy bridge[0], and a massive park with an island and an art center[1], all for public use, and the city hosts massive public celebrations in these kinds of parks with extensive art installations, music performances etc…

> The quality of the high speed rail system barely needs mention

China is not famous for the quality of it's high speed tail system. China is famous for two things:

1) throwing huge amounts of money/resources to build their high-speed railway network

2) stealing intelectual property from manufacturers of high-speed railway rolling stock, whether through industrial espionage or hijacking production processes after enticing European companies with contracts to build European rolling stock designs in China.

Also, China's high-speed railway is also infamous for their accidents, particularly by the inhumane way that chinese officials decided to cover them up (i.e., burry wreckage next to crash sites without recovering dead bodies)

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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Post by homonculus1 » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 6:02 PM UTC

sjwright wrote: post #403

Ancalagon wrote: post #390

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Well said, I am very tired of these blasé remarks about the second amendment. Sure, the people don’t have tanks, but when the people and the guns out number the tanks 1000:1, and the tank driver doesn’t really want to fight, and those 1000 guns are all playing geurrilla tactics, I like to imagine the people stand a chance.

And if you could keep all your guns safely locked away until then, that would be great. –thanks, everyone else.

We do! The number of guns used in crime is a statistical whisper compared to the hundreds of millions that are in legal, peaceable private ownership and circulation in the US alone. The empirical view is vastly different than the sensational media representation, which (due to attention and advertising incentives) cherrypicks the extremely rare worst-case events.

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Post by bdowling » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 6:03 PM UTC

sjwright wrote: post #423

Ancalagon wrote: post #407

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I know you were being funny, but I actually wholly agree with this statement. Every gun owner should have safes/locks for their guns.

I was being serious. I don’t have a problem with responsible gun ownership. Switzerland is a good model. The NRA loves to point at rates of Swiss gun ownership. If the USA implemented all of Switzerland’s gun laws I think you’d be okay.

If the USA implemented all of Switzerland’s gun laws, a citizen who passes a background check would be able to buy a newly-made full-automatic machine gun that is not allowed in the US outside of law enforcement or military. I’m not sure that is what you’re implying that you’d want.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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Post by ivhilaire » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 6:04 PM UTC

baddox wrote: post #393

loquor wrote: post #349

This might sound alarmist, but do you think China is the biggest upcoming global problem after climate change? For two reasons: 1. China has a totalitarian ruling system. They intend to realize George Orwell's 1984. 2. Present-day China essentially has no ethics. Take the US in comparison. No matter how perverse the people in power become and even if they do messed up things, the US has some founding morals and princ…

What policies does China have which are expansionist?

Ask this question to the activists in Kazakhstan and South-Eastern Russia, they have a lot to say about that.

Re: Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

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Post by new2628 » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 6:04 PM UTC

jaynetics wrote: post #561

new2628 wrote: post #540

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Yes, on my list the latter is a more serious problem than the first, it is more certain to be happening, and its effects are more permanent.

> more certain Do you doubt that climate change will displace 100s of millions and destroy many large and distinct cultures (e.g. island states) at current emission rates?

That could certainly happen (although the island states I have heard mentioned in this context have populations more in the 10s of thousands), but in terms of culture/language loss this would be a small event compared to the loss in the past/current decades/century, already happening without climate change.

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Post by goblin89 » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 6:08 PM UTC

program_whiz wrote: post #13

Sure, the kid was swinging at the officer, and I suppose that warrants the officer acting in self-defense. But another question is, what are the protesters supposed to do? The government has all the power, and can simply snuff out any resistence. If you just stand in the streets, they really don't care, they are going to take your freedom. Imagine if the US suddenly had a dictator that just decided they were going to…

> warrants the officer acting in self-defense

I question the appropriateness of using a firearm with conventional lethal ammunition.

A rubber bullet in lower body would have had enough stopping power. What happened looks like a blatant violation of any reasonable protocol law enforcement would be supposed to behave in accordance with under the circumstances.