Protester shot in chest by live police round during Hong Kong protests

Post by geggam » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 3:13 PM UTC

moate wrote: post #153

geggam wrote: post #110

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As a note there are 20 million ex military in the US, most of which are armed. So the US civilian population has an out of shape military with small arms at around 10x the size of the standing military.

That's assuming they side with the civies and don't rejoin the standing military. Truth is, we have no idea what a US civil war might look like. There would be military defections as well as citizens joining the government. With no understanding of what the factions would look like, it's difficult to forecast blindly (not that you couldn't make projections based on certain groups leading the antagonists side and how…

Post by xienze » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 3:14 PM UTC

Fezzik wrote: post #168

nvahalik wrote: post #18

> Imagine if the US suddenly had a dictator This is why we have the second amendment. And the constitution as the thing to which office-holders swear allegiance to rather than to "the party" or "the president".

I always find this sentiment a little silly - if the US President went in to full dictator mode and had the support of the military, do you really think a militia of armed citizens would be anything but gnats against the windshield of the United States Armed Forces? And if s/he did not have the support of the Armed Forces, it would not be a very effective dictatorship and you would not even need guns for a rebellion.…

Post by snagglegaggle » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 3:14 PM UTC

derefr wrote: post #193

snagglegaggle wrote: post #164

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There have been inquests into what would happen in event of US civil war. Some projections see >40% of people immediately defecting from the government, many with high level clearances. At least in the case of the US the nation ceases to exist the moment it is in civil war. But that is kind of besides the point. A lot of people are arguing "they may have overwhelming force, so roll over and give them what they want."…

I’m assuming your inquests are about a US civil war between a controlling minority and a resisting majority? The more interesting scenario to consider, IMHO, is a civil war between a controlling but “not the US” majority , and a resisting minority . For example: what would happen if there were a modern Red Scare, but one with a basis in reality—i.e., if somehow >50% of the US (including our political leaders) were su…

Post by samastur » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 3:15 PM UTC

LandR wrote: post #75

nodea2345 wrote: post #46

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Full context is police officers often beat protests during arresting. Sometimes they just fight each other. Anyway, I think the officer have better choices than attempting to kill the kid(shot in chest is obvious willing to kill).

I think anytime you shoot a gun at one someone you are shooting to kill, shoot to maim feels like it would be practically impossible outside of movies. But I might be wrong, I've never shot a gun.

Post by philliphaydon » Tue, Oct 01, 2019, 3:15 PM UTC

program_whiz wrote: post #13

Sure, the kid was swinging at the officer, and I suppose that warrants the officer acting in self-defense. But another question is, what are the protesters supposed to do? The government has all the power, and can simply snuff out any resistence. If you just stand in the streets, they really don't care, they are going to take your freedom. Imagine if the US suddenly had a dictator that just decided they were going to…