Brothers, I Must Go
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Brothers, I Must Go
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Re: Brothers, I Must Go
#2Apparently there is an ongoing Stack Exchange sites' moderator rebellion: https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5193/stack-... https://cs.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1650/i-am-resign... https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-...
Re: Brothers, I Must Go
#3So this guys problem is that the new CoC requires him to respect peoples chosen pronouns? And it looks like this was that Monica person's problem too.
I think SE are totally within their rights to enforce a policy like this without negotiation, although clearly a miscommunication has occurred. I think the people who object to it are imagining a situation with a mythical SJW boogeyperson saying "Don't misgender me! my pronouns are xe/xem/xyr on weekdays and xi/hir/hir after 7 o'clock, unless I feel like a ve/ver/vis in which case you must read my mind and use those."
In reality, I think the likely scenario is more like "I'm a she :)", and unless you continue to use 'he' pronouns then there isn't a problem.
When put this way, it sounds like a much more reasonable policy and I think it would be fair to eject people who object to this from the community (with due process of course).
SE have failed to communicate this properly, and also have failed to react to this crisis in a reasonable way. However, from reading this blog post (which actually goes as far as to quote that "First they came..." poem), and Monica's one, I suspect this is not the root of the problem. Not all beliefs can or should be tolerated, as is touched upon in a quote in Monica's post. That is the purpose of a CoC, to set up a reasonable framework of rules upon which debate and discussion can take place.
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#5So this guys problem is that the new CoC requires him to respect peoples chosen pronouns? And it looks like this was that Monica person's problem too. I think SE are totally within their rights to enforce a policy like this without negotiation, although clearly a miscommunication has occurred. I think the people who object to it are imagining a situation with a mythical SJW boogeyperson saying "Don't misgender me! my…
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#6So this guys problem is that the new CoC requires him to respect peoples chosen pronouns? And it looks like this was that Monica person's problem too. I think SE are totally within their rights to enforce a policy like this without negotiation, although clearly a miscommunication has occurred. I think the people who object to it are imagining a situation with a mythical SJW boogeyperson saying "Don't misgender me! my…
I read most of that salty social-media-suicide note and got the same vibe. "Help! This site is failing to tolerate my religiously motivated bigotry -- I'm being oppressed!"
I would not be surprised if SE's internal dialog includes the words "good riddance."
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#7So this guys problem is that the new CoC requires him to respect peoples chosen pronouns? And it looks like this was that Monica person's problem too. I think SE are totally within their rights to enforce a policy like this without negotiation, although clearly a miscommunication has occurred. I think the people who object to it are imagining a situation with a mythical SJW boogeyperson saying "Don't misgender me! my…
How about we just stick to usernames and don't care about pronouns, I don't care about the gender of the person replying to me. Maybe I miss remember but when I started using the internet we were using usernames and being constantly told not to expose personal information. I feel like people were focusing more easily on whatever their community was dedicated to.
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#8So this guys problem is that the new CoC requires him to respect peoples chosen pronouns? And it looks like this was that Monica person's problem too. I think SE are totally within their rights to enforce a policy like this without negotiation, although clearly a miscommunication has occurred. I think the people who object to it are imagining a situation with a mythical SJW boogeyperson saying "Don't misgender me! my…
How about we just stick to usernames and don't care about pronouns, I don't care about the gender of the person replying to me. Maybe I miss remember but when I started using the internet we were using usernames and being constantly told not to expose personal information. I feel like people were focusing more easily on whatever their community was dedicated to.
> How about we just stick to usernames and don't care about pronouns
There are some stack exchange sub-sites that this would be reasonable to do, but many others that aren't. That's why. It's pertinent information for a lot of questions that are going to be asked.
Re: Brothers, I Must Go
#9So this guys problem is that the new CoC requires him to respect peoples chosen pronouns? And it looks like this was that Monica person's problem too. I think SE are totally within their rights to enforce a policy like this without negotiation, although clearly a miscommunication has occurred. I think the people who object to it are imagining a situation with a mythical SJW boogeyperson saying "Don't misgender me! my…
If this is accurate, it's not quite as simple as that: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-...
Re: Brothers, I Must Go
#10So this guys problem is that the new CoC requires him to respect peoples chosen pronouns? And it looks like this was that Monica person's problem too. I think SE are totally within their rights to enforce a policy like this without negotiation, although clearly a miscommunication has occurred. I think the people who object to it are imagining a situation with a mythical SJW boogeyperson saying "Don't misgender me! my…
I read most of that salty social-media-suicide note and got the same vibe. "Help! This site is failing to tolerate my religiously motivated bigotry -- I'm being oppressed!" I would not be surprised if SE's internal dialog includes the words "good riddance."
Salty eh? Okay.
I explicitly noted I wasn't being repressed, but thanks for thinking about me. The way volunteers have been treated is not good, and the rules the company is making are going alienate lots of people. Not the ones they care about apparently, but lots of people none the less.
There is a difference been limited speech (which SE has always been a limited zone, not a free zone) and forced speech. You might not care about this issue, but someday when somebody wants to force you to do something you don't believe in, you'll understand the difference. I sincerely hope its for something minor for you and you get enough early warning that it doesn't get out of hand.
By the way I'd be surprised to learn _anybody_ at SE thought I did a bad job for the site they appointed me to help with.