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Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Umm.... absolutely not. These quotes (directly from his site) beg to differ: > “I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.” > “There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing par…

Hasn't he since changed his mind about those things and apologized for it? If someone believes something bad, gets educated, and changes their point of view, isn't that a good thing?

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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The thing is though, the outrage mob usually doesn't care about facts. Their outrage is always based on the heat of the moment. It even seems this mode has been spilling over into our justice system lately, which is a very unfortunate and a sad state of affairs.

And also, sometimes the mob is right. The mob is guilty of shooting first and asking questions later but in this case, just read what he said and wrote, the mob is both guilty and correct.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

#33

Umm.... absolutely not. These quotes (directly from his site) beg to differ: > “I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.” > “There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing par…

Hasn't he since changed his mind about those things and apologized for it? If someone believes something bad, gets educated, and changes their point of view, isn't that a good thing?

It is, but that doesn’t mean you should want them representing you.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Umm.... absolutely not. These quotes (directly from his site) beg to differ: > “I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.” > “There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing par…

You're missing the nuance of the language as selected. "I am skeptical" clearly prefaces a desire to be made aware of actual scientific evidence, to have the citations (references to the evidence) provided.

Further, you, and others who keep beating this dead horse, do not realize that it is part of a larger, ongoing, discussion in which (IIRC from prior HN threads), RMS had that skepticism resolved with knowledge by those who actually discussed the point, rather than bashing someone for asking "is this actually true; where is the evidence?"

The scientific method involves asking if assumptions are true. I can sympathize with the theory that a substantial quantity of __additional__ damage is caused by the reactions of others after such unfortunate experiences. RMS was making a supposition that might be studied. The phrasing is, as the article mentioned, rather without consideration for how others might receive such a statement.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

#35
post #4

The thing is though, the outrage mob usually doesn't care about facts. Their outrage is always based on the heat of the moment. It even seems this mode has been spilling over into our justice system lately, which is a very unfortunate and a sad state of affairs.

And also, sometimes the mob is right. The mob is guilty of shooting first and asking questions later but in this case, just read what he said and wrote, the mob is both guilty and correct.

"Correct", sure, as in whichever side is the stronger and can force the other to comply is the correct one.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

#36

Umm.... absolutely not. These quotes (directly from his site) beg to differ: > “I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.” > “There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing par…

When were those posted? That they (and other similar comments) suddenly appearing out of nowhere makes me question their veracity. They represent a broader point of view - a set of values - that are quite distinct from the views that have been presented before.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

#37
post #4

The thing is though, the outrage mob usually doesn't care about facts. Their outrage is always based on the heat of the moment. It even seems this mode has been spilling over into our justice system lately, which is a very unfortunate and a sad state of affairs.

Your comment sounds familiar. I read it very often on the internet these days under various topics.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

#38
post #10

Umm.... absolutely not. These quotes (directly from his site) beg to differ: > “I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.” > “There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing par…

>> Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him > Umm.... absolutely not. These quotes (directly from his site) beg to differ: Do you know him? Aren't you vilifying him? Having an unpopular opinion isn't grounds for "proper judgement" of being constantly harassed by a mob every time his name is brought up.

We need to check ourselves on our personal heroes here. People are saying the same things about a specific American politician: "he's a good man, why are you attacking him?" If I were a philanthropist spending billions of dollars saving lives, would I get a free pass to kill a person a week? Of course not.

His opinion is not unpopular. It is morally reprehensible. Yes, some countries and states allow childhood intercourse, in much the same way that slavery was tolerated in many places around the world even after it was almost universally condemned.

Some minority voices are important (see: woman's suffrage, gay rights). Typically, these opinions are novel, they are new, they are revolutionary. Opinions such as the rights of pedophiles, or homosexual persecution are in contrast to hard-won battles that exist in the past. Regressive opinions are not plight, they are an appeal to return to the plight of others.

He is not supporting a fringe socially progressive movement. He is supporting something that we know is wrong. Pedophilia is an atypical anomaly. It is a debilitating disability. Those people need help desperately, not a pass to continue hurting children.

Edit: it also turns out that there are personal accounts of him being outwardly shitty to women. He needs a friend to course correct him, not praise or worship him.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

#39
> He takes everything literally and doesn’t necessarily take feelings and the reactions of others into account when making statements that are outside the bounds of his expertise in free software.

Whelp, then no one should be that surprised when people stop taking his feelings into account and decide they no longer want to be associated with him.

Not being an asshole is a two-way street.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

#40

Umm.... absolutely not. These quotes (directly from his site) beg to differ: > “I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.” > “There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing par…

Looks like healthy scepticism to me, which I consider a good thing.
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