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Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Post by geerlingguy »

Mizza wrote: post #18
wpietri wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lynching is a pretty bad analogy. He did not die. He was not physically harmed. A guy around retirement age decided to resign from a couple of jobs. Stallman got away with a lot for decades because he had much more privilege than the people he harmed. He might still be getting away with it had MIT not gotten caught making themselves absolutely eager to run with a serial predator. But just because somebody gets away w…

That's fair, I don't know of a less extreme word. I don't mean it in the way that it means in the southern US, but in the more broad sense of "trial-less mob justice action".

I think it would be more akin to tarring and feathering[1]; usually not intended to kill, but to be a very public and humiliating punishment.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarring_and_feathering

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Post by dmix »

Mizza wrote: post #18
wpietri wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lynching is a pretty bad analogy. He did not die. He was not physically harmed. A guy around retirement age decided to resign from a couple of jobs. Stallman got away with a lot for decades because he had much more privilege than the people he harmed. He might still be getting away with it had MIT not gotten caught making themselves absolutely eager to run with a serial predator. But just because somebody gets away w…

That's fair, I don't know of a less extreme word. I don't mean it in the way that it means in the southern US, but in the more broad sense of "trial-less mob justice action".

Vigilante/mob justice is more appropriate.

This type of Justice is always highly emotional, with little or zero due process, often as wrong as it gets it right, and doles out punishments well out of scope of the alleged crime.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Post by WillPostForFood »

favorited wrote: post #5

Here[0] is a post by someone else who (by his own account) "worked for RMS longer than any other programmer." While he obviously has had a long relationship with Stallman, one of his key takeaways was: "RMS’s loss of MIT privileges and leadership of the FSF are the appropriate responses to a pattern of decades of poor behavior. It does not matter if they are appropriate responses to a single email thread, because the…

How is this different than police planting evidence on a known bad guy and saying, well he was a criminal anyway so who cares, justice was done by putting him in jail with falsified evidence. As long as you get what your deserve, process is irrelevant.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Post by diminoten »

topmonk wrote: post #10
menotyou43 wrote: post #3

Umm.... absolutely not. These quotes (directly from his site) beg to differ: > “I am sceptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.” > “There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing par…

>> Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him > Umm.... absolutely not. These quotes (directly from his site) beg to differ: Do you know him? Aren't you vilifying him? Having an unpopular opinion isn't grounds for "proper judgement" of being constantly harassed by a mob every time his name is brought up.

I don't need to know someone to be repulsed by what they've said, why the hell is that now the bar?

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Post by WillPostForFood »

Mizza wrote: post #18
wpietri wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lynching is a pretty bad analogy. He did not die. He was not physically harmed. A guy around retirement age decided to resign from a couple of jobs. Stallman got away with a lot for decades because he had much more privilege than the people he harmed. He might still be getting away with it had MIT not gotten caught making themselves absolutely eager to run with a serial predator. But just because somebody gets away w…

That's fair, I don't know of a less extreme word. I don't mean it in the way that it means in the southern US, but in the more broad sense of "trial-less mob justice action".

You just got lynched by the internet mob yourself.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Post by [deleted] »

Mizza wrote: post #18
wpietri wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lynching is a pretty bad analogy. He did not die. He was not physically harmed. A guy around retirement age decided to resign from a couple of jobs. Stallman got away with a lot for decades because he had much more privilege than the people he harmed. He might still be getting away with it had MIT not gotten caught making themselves absolutely eager to run with a serial predator. But just because somebody gets away w…

That's fair, I don't know of a less extreme word. I don't mean it in the way that it means in the southern US, but in the more broad sense of "trial-less mob justice action".

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Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Post by TomVDB »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #23
favorited wrote: post #5

Here[0] is a post by someone else who (by his own account) "worked for RMS longer than any other programmer." While he obviously has had a long relationship with Stallman, one of his key takeaways was: "RMS’s loss of MIT privileges and leadership of the FSF are the appropriate responses to a pattern of decades of poor behavior. It does not matter if they are appropriate responses to a single email thread, because the…

How is this different than police planting evidence on a known bad guy and saying, well he was a criminal anyway so who cares, justice was done by putting him in jail with falsified evidence. As long as you get what your deserve, process is irrelevant.

One is a criminal investigation where evidence is planted. The other is not.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Post by houssc »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #23
favorited wrote: post #5

Here[0] is a post by someone else who (by his own account) "worked for RMS longer than any other programmer." While he obviously has had a long relationship with Stallman, one of his key takeaways was: "RMS’s loss of MIT privileges and leadership of the FSF are the appropriate responses to a pattern of decades of poor behavior. It does not matter if they are appropriate responses to a single email thread, because the…

How is this different than police planting evidence on a known bad guy and saying, well he was a criminal anyway so who cares, justice was done by putting him in jail with falsified evidence. As long as you get what your deserve, process is irrelevant.

Was something planted in Stallman's case? Blowing his quotes out of proportion isn't the same thing as planting evidence. I suppose a better analogy is being on your second strike and doing some minor crime to get your third. Some would argue people on two strikes should keep their head down.

Furthermore his quotes are pretty fucking creepy.

Re: Richard Stallman Has Been Vilified by Those Who Don’t Know Him

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Post by iamleppert »

It’s awful to see people come out of the woodwork to try and defend him. Who is Sylvia Paull?

I wonder if her major clients would like to know that she is a supporter of someone who condones rape? In one breath she says she disagrees with it and the next she’s defending him. Crazy!

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