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Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy

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I’ve seen a lot of people going on about fast fashion recently. I’m aware of lots of shops that are considered fast fashion, but which ones aren’t ? Where should I be going to buy more durable clothes that are made of nicer materials? I’m genuinely curious. I’d like to change my buying patterns (I’m really not that fashion conscious, so long as I can have some nice button ups and trousers I’ll be happy).

Three sources of very durable clothing are: + Expedition-clothing brands like Fjällräven, whose clothes are meant to serve a person for years trekking in the outdoors. + Specialist shops for clothes for certain professional and industrial careers + Military surplus shops. While none of these are good sources for clothes that will make you look trendy and stylish to impress, they are great options if you just want som…

> Specialist shops for clothes for certain professional and industrial careers

I've found that the clothing from LAPG to be very well made, and if you are looking for something that can even be worn in the office (business casual), they have that covered, too.

Their stuff is regularly mentioned in certain forums by people in those professions (LEO, TLAs, etc) looking for good clothing that has a lot of functionality and durability in the field, but still looks good in the office.

I found them after wanting a better quality and longer lasting pair of cargo pants (and later, shorts). I wanted something I could use for outdoor hiking activity, and only found that later they still looked great after a period of day hiking, that I could wear them around town afterward if needed.

I found what I needed, and they have proven their durability, comfort, and capability - more than enough pockets to carry what I need, easy access to all of them, plus a lot of extra strength features needed for hiking and other more strenuous activities.

They sell similar clothing that looks even nicer; ie - same kind of pants but without all the extra pockets - or they have some that are well hidden. Also shirts that look like regular short-sleeve button-downs, but with breakaway side seems for quick access to a side holstered weapon (all meant to allow LEO to "blend in" on certain assignments I guess?).

I found their stuff to range in price - the pants and shorts I bought cost much less than stuff I could purchase at name-brand stores, and have lasted much longer than anything from them as well. LAPG also sells some much more expensive clothing, some of which will make you double-take on the price. Maybe it is just that good - but I've never ventured up to those areas.

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H&M isn't cheap though. £25 for a pair of denim jeans where I can get 3 pairs for the same price in Primark.

That's crazy. I recall a good pair of Levi's being about $40-50, though I'd have 2 pairs and put them to work for years.

In US, in UK prices range from 70 to 120gbp for a pair of levis jeans.

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H&M is much, much bigger than Forever 21. Forever 21 barely exists out side of North America, but H&M can be found everywhere. I mean everywhere. That may be a factor in how cheap they can be - The scale of the business.

H&M is the Ikea of clothes.

This is a good analogy for multiple reasons: Both Ikea and H&M hit a variety of price points and tend to have quality commensurate with them.

I’ve bought a $30 dresser at Ikea and $7 T-shirts at H&M, and both were about as durable as you might imagine. I’ve also bought a $200 dresser at Ikea and a $100 coat at H&M, and they’ve held up as well as comparable products twice their price.

Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy

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Here’s some info on potential reasons why they are going bankrupt. -they are mall centric store and mall traffic has been declining. Other chains have been “right sizing” -big discount stores (target, Walmart, TJ Maxx, etc) have upped their (discounted) fashion game -forever 21 was slow to adjust to these broader trends vs competitors I also agree with proverbialbunny. My girlfriend used to go there regularly but we…

Overall mall traffic might be declining but I’ve been to malls here in my city where the higher end malls are thriving and more popular than in previous decades.

The Forever 21’s in my area are located in malls that are dated, and ripe for a major renovation.

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H&M isn't cheap though. £25 for a pair of denim jeans where I can get 3 pairs for the same price in Primark.

That's crazy. I recall a good pair of Levi's being about $40-50, though I'd have 2 pairs and put them to work for years.

Levi's are more expensive because they're branded

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you can still buy quality products that last, you just have to pay more

Maybe, maybe not. The longer-lasting but expensive stuff might not be available in styles you like, for instance. So, for example, what good is a long-lasting shirt if it looks like something only your grandfather would wear?

This seems to go right back to the grandparent post's closing sentence:

> But, until people get past fashion, I can't expect this will happen.

Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy

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While fashionnova is booming. To give you an idea how fast FN is, they'll sell then make a product (in that order) so fast that when the customer gets it in the mail, the paint hasn't dried yet. Quality is not their forte.

That doesn’t make sense to me and I work in the fashion industry. Unless you want to pay tens of thousands to air freight goods, min time is at least two weeks.

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Uniqlo

I would second Uniqlo, and also suggest GAP. But honestly I am not really aware of either of their ethical records, but have found their clothes to be a good balance of price and quality, and they are about the only shops I can find as a Mid-20s male where you can buy good quality 'foundational' items, rather than fashion fads.

Banana Republic has, in my experience, better quality 'staples' than the GAP. They have excellent sweaters and quarter zips, for example. I have a weird body shape (I look like a Belter) but haven't had any issues finding things that work

They're part of the same parent company (Old Navy, GAP, Banana Republic).

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> Men get thicker fabric, but at the expense of being less stretchy Not sure if it's the thickness or the fabric. Men's clothes are more likely to be cotton, women's have more synthetics to get stretchiness and better draping. Not sure what that does for durability, but it might explains issues in the dryer. I'd also be curious to know the staple length of the cotton used by fast fashion brands, but I'd bet it's shor…

I wonder how many of these "issues in the dryer" are caused by people using the high-heat setting on the dryer. I have clothes that are both cotton and synthetic (like exercise/sports clothes) and I really don't have durability problems with any of them, except for cotton shirts "pilling" on the back where they're tucked into my pants after I've had them for a long time. But I always run my dryer at the lowest heat s…

I agree that a lot of the issues are with the dryer. So many expensive clothes and textiles are rack dry or hand wash only, that it's kind of unfair to compare something cheap that you treat roughly versus something expensive you treat delicately.

Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy

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Here’s some info on potential reasons why they are going bankrupt. -they are mall centric store and mall traffic has been declining. Other chains have been “right sizing” -big discount stores (target, Walmart, TJ Maxx, etc) have upped their (discounted) fashion game -forever 21 was slow to adjust to these broader trends vs competitors I also agree with proverbialbunny. My girlfriend used to go there regularly but we…

>big discount stores (target, Walmart, TJ Maxx, etc) have upped their (discounted) fashion game Huh? This is true I suppose for Walmart and Target, but TJ Maxx just sells overstock stuff that didn't sell elsewhere.

That's a bit of a myth actually. While they do get lots of their merchandise that way, they don't get all of it.

Check out bullet number 4. https://fortune.com/2014/07/24/t-j-maxx-the-best-retail-stor...

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