Did they keep the Bible quotes on their international stores as well? Because I don't think their underhanded religiosity would fly as well outside the US.
Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
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Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
#112Back in '08-'09 Forever 21 was my favorite clothing store. They had styles there that fit well, looked good, used comfortable fabric, and was relatively cheap. Given how the economy was doing at the time, it gave Forever 21 an advantage: clothes 2-3x cheaper and clothes quite a bit more enjoyable to wear. But the fabric they used disintegrated on me, as woman's clothes tend to. (Men get thicker fabric, but at the exp…
H&M makes clothes that seem to have the texture and quality of tissue paper. I understand they are cheap but I assume shopping there is like being the poor man in the boot theory of socioeconomic unfairness.
Perfect for my children though. the pace at which it breaks closely matches them growing out of it. Probably not so good for the thrift store market I guess.
Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
H&M is much, much bigger than Forever 21. Forever 21 barely exists out side of North America, but H&M can be found everywhere. I mean everywhere. That may be a factor in how cheap they can be - The scale of the business.
H&M isn't cheap though. £25 for a pair of denim jeans where I can get 3 pairs for the same price in Primark.
That's crazy. I recall a good pair of Levi's being about $40-50, though I'd have 2 pairs and put them to work for years.
Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well apparently women are supposed to only wear a piece of clothing once or twice, no? So they optimize for price, so you can buy more pieces of clothing so you have something to wear, rather than longevity which "nobody" cares about. That said, it's not just the clothes for women. I tried buying some jeans at H&M, twice. Both times I wore a hole in them in less than a month. I'm not doing anything special, just a re…
> Well apparently women are supposed to only wear a piece of clothing once or twice, no? Unfortunately, yes. This is what tends to happen. My wife complains about how this is so much the case in women's fashion. Fashion is designed to encourage consumption. People buy new clothes, new appliances, etc just because of color and style. This drives cheaply made products, since they aren't going to last long anyway. Reall…
you can still buy quality products that last, you just have to pay more
Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
#115Here’s some info on potential reasons why they are going bankrupt.
-they are mall centric store and mall traffic has been declining. Other chains have been “right sizing”
-big discount stores (target, Walmart, TJ Maxx, etc) have upped their (discounted) fashion game
-forever 21 was slow to adjust to these broader trends vs competitors
I also agree with proverbialbunny. My girlfriend used to go there regularly but we haven’t been to one for ages. Could just be us getting older though :)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/...
Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
#116I’ve seen a lot of people going on about fast fashion recently. I’m aware of lots of shops that are considered fast fashion, but which ones aren’t ? Where should I be going to buy more durable clothes that are made of nicer materials? I’m genuinely curious. I’d like to change my buying patterns (I’m really not that fashion conscious, so long as I can have some nice button ups and trousers I’ll be happy).
The key term you are looking for is "High-street brands" (step below Luxury)
Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
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Despite being seen as the stereotypical tech-worker uniform, Patagonia seems to use well-sourced, high quality material (and they have repair centers).
I’m familiar with Patagonia, but I’ve mostly seen them as an outdoor clothing company, not anything that I’d consider (non SV tech) business casual/smart. Are there any companies that make that sort of stuff that aren’t evil? Like more what you’d find at GAP or a department store, but not made by slave labour.
I personally like American Giant [1] and Flint & Tinder [2].
Neither has as wide a selection as GAP, and are more on the casual side, but have stuff that can work as business casual. The latter is menswear only, so if you're female not so useful.
Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Well apparently women are supposed to only wear a piece of clothing once or twice, no? Unfortunately, yes. This is what tends to happen. My wife complains about how this is so much the case in women's fashion. Fashion is designed to encourage consumption. People buy new clothes, new appliances, etc just because of color and style. This drives cheaply made products, since they aren't going to last long anyway. Reall…
you can still buy quality products that last, you just have to pay more
To what extent do studies or indices or whatever indicating that prices of goods have dropped under liberal economic & trade policies of the last few decades factor in quality of same goods? I'm not sure decent goods have actually dropped in price, and wouldn't be surprised if some have in fact become more expensive, and suspect that extremely crappy goods that didn't exist at all before account for much of the alleged reduction in prices.
Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
#119I’ve seen a lot of people going on about fast fashion recently. I’m aware of lots of shops that are considered fast fashion, but which ones aren’t ? Where should I be going to buy more durable clothes that are made of nicer materials? I’m genuinely curious. I’d like to change my buying patterns (I’m really not that fashion conscious, so long as I can have some nice button ups and trousers I’ll be happy).
Here's a couple I like that aren't over-the-top expensive or bespoke: - LL Bean - Patagonia - Everlane - Lands End My general rule of thumb: Try to stick to natural fabrics (cotton, wool, linen) for most things. Synthetics can be good but most are really cheap. If you're willing to pay a little more, there are some small shops still making stuff in America that you can feel good buying and will last a lot longer than…
Once you get your sizing dialed in on a few "nice" brands (thrift stores are great for trying several brands, just go in knowing which ones you're looking for) you can wait for sales & seconds (shoes) & used (thrift stores, ebay) & overstock and such. Most are rip-offs at full price but are priced about right (still much higher than fast-fashion, but not insane) at 30-40% off, which isn't that hard to find, and are great deals under that. Now that I know my sizing in a few reasonably consistent much-better-than-fast-fashion brands I just wait for their sales, order a few pieces a year online, and the clothes show up. It's great.
Re: Forever 21, Which Helped Popularize Fast Fashion, to File for Bankruptcy
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's a couple I like that aren't over-the-top expensive or bespoke: - LL Bean - Patagonia - Everlane - Lands End My general rule of thumb: Try to stick to natural fabrics (cotton, wool, linen) for most things. Synthetics can be good but most are really cheap. If you're willing to pay a little more, there are some small shops still making stuff in America that you can feel good buying and will last a lot longer than…
I was looking for an excellent fleece to fit my needs, but I didn't want to spend big $$. I wasn't having any luck, so on a whim I splurged (a bit) and bought a fleece from one of the names listed above. - I bought it from an outlet store so despite its high price it was still discounted - It's incredibly well-made - The "cut" of it is great, as in it fits my form really well - Its pockets are deep - It's warm Zero r…
> - The "cut" of it is great, as in it fits my form really well
I find it odd how much better off-the-rack fit tends to be on more expensive clothes (for men, anyway). You'd think that'd be one thing the cheaper brands could easily duplicate, and that the main differences would be fabric quality & construction, but no.