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Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

Avamander wrote: post #54
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Moderators are part of the community that can vote and high-ranked people that vote have access to mod tools - they're basically moderators - just without the diamond. Yes, I know, which puts the entire outcry here (from likely low-score users) in a very comical light. "Ban mods"—what they really are asking for is "ban high-score users who do not like my low-quality questions".

> "ban high-score users who do not like my low-quality questions" Thanks for telling me you're part of the problem. You're not nearly as infallible in your judgement about what's a "bad question", it's plain and simple hubris most high-ranks have. The system should not allow such consolidation of power, there's a very good reason most democratic countries have separated the three powers.

I'm not sure what "power" you think I have. I rarely vote to close questions. But I do flag, and do down-vote. Isn't that as democratic as it gets?

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by baud147258 »

perlgeek wrote: post #22

Do Jeff Atwood and Joel Spolsky still a say in how SE is run? If yes, now would be the perfect time to step in and moderate the discussion.

Jeff Atwood had left half a decade or more ago, to work on a forum platform, called discourse. Joel Spolsky was CEO until last month, but I don't know how much he worked directly on the Q&A.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by carlesfe »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #29

This is natural selection at work. Stack Exchange has become a frustrating site to use. "Closed as duplicate: different and unrelated question" reopen further explaining the question and how its not related "Closed as duplicate: the first question that was immediately closed with no replies" OR! Google around, find SE link on issue, everybody is arguing about why the user wants to do it that why, convinces them to do…

Hah, exactly my experience:

Open question about potential Android bug. I mention I have checked threads A, B, and C, and the symptoms of my bug are different, therefore why I opened a new question

"Closed as duplicate: thread A"

Sigh.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by dtech »

rusk wrote: post #41
MrStonedOne wrote: post #29

This is natural selection at work. Stack Exchange has become a frustrating site to use. "Closed as duplicate: different and unrelated question" reopen further explaining the question and how its not related "Closed as duplicate: the first question that was immediately closed with no replies" OR! Google around, find SE link on issue, everybody is arguing about why the user wants to do it that why, convinces them to do…

Ah yes, the good old "X/Y Problem" [0] Doesn't matter if Y is non-negotiable, or if I've purposely constrained Y, to get a specific answer for a specific technology. How infuriating for a "Questions and Answers" site, to be told when you're asking a question, that the question you're asking is wrong, and that "you should instead have asked ..." I swear to god, the SO mods are the dumbest, most priggish, humourless be…

XY Problem is very real though, especially among beginners, which by its nature SO has a lot of.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by jmkni »

latk wrote: post #17
jmkni wrote: post #5

Spotted this on the hot question list, totally out of the loop on the latest SE drama, can somebody fill me in?

There is a perpetual tension between those who want SE to be helping everyone, and those who want to curate a helpful resource. People involved with community moderation aspects tend to fall into the latter group. For the last half decade or so SE has progressively abandoned this latter group, leading to a lot of pent-up frustration. Some changes SE has made are sensible (e.g. striving to be more welcoming and more i…

Thankyou.

I would browse Workplace SE quite a bit (it seems to feature on the 'Hot Questions' list regularly) and Monica Cellio has always come across as decent/smart/sincere, so yeah, that's pretty bizarre.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by tester347 »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #29

This is natural selection at work. Stack Exchange has become a frustrating site to use. "Closed as duplicate: different and unrelated question" reopen further explaining the question and how its not related "Closed as duplicate: the first question that was immediately closed with no replies" OR! Google around, find SE link on issue, everybody is arguing about why the user wants to do it that why, convinces them to do…

How is that possible that I created like 100 questions on SO/SE over years and 90+% of them weren't closed/marked?

Im that lucky or people tend to do not care about quality of their questions and then cry about how SO is bad?

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by Avamander »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #61
Avamander wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "ban high-score users who do not like my low-quality questions" Thanks for telling me you're part of the problem. You're not nearly as infallible in your judgement about what's a "bad question", it's plain and simple hubris most high-ranks have. The system should not allow such consolidation of power, there's a very good reason most democratic countries have separated the three powers.

I'm not sure what "power" you think I have. I rarely vote to close questions. But I do flag, and do down-vote. Isn't that as democratic as it gets?

> Isn't that as democratic as it gets?

Why should you be able to flag for close, downvote and get to delete all at once? It's basically all the power there is, especially bad if you own a tag badge. We have enough people to separate those tasks, it'd definitely reduce one person's ability to do harm.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

Avamander wrote: post #54
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Moderators are part of the community that can vote and high-ranked people that vote have access to mod tools - they're basically moderators - just without the diamond. Yes, I know, which puts the entire outcry here (from likely low-score users) in a very comical light. "Ban mods"—what they really are asking for is "ban high-score users who do not like my low-quality questions".

> "ban high-score users who do not like my low-quality questions" Thanks for telling me you're part of the problem. You're not nearly as infallible in your judgement about what's a "bad question", it's plain and simple hubris most high-ranks have. The system should not allow such consolidation of power, there's a very good reason most democratic countries have separated the three powers.

Also, I don't feel like apologizing for having a high score. I've earned it with hard work over many years. I understand it is more difficult now, because most of the good questions have been asked, and the vast majority of new questions are a repeat, but that does not mean I should feel guilty for having been able to, in my niche sector, to amass scores by helping people in their coding endeavors.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by haasted »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #57
MrStonedOne wrote: post #29

This is natural selection at work. Stack Exchange has become a frustrating site to use. "Closed as duplicate: different and unrelated question" reopen further explaining the question and how its not related "Closed as duplicate: the first question that was immediately closed with no replies" OR! Google around, find SE link on issue, everybody is arguing about why the user wants to do it that why, convinces them to do…

I deleted my account when I had a notification that a 5 year old question of mine was edited to remove a "thanks for any help" at the end. This was after the blog post stating SE had an unfriendliness problem and they would stop doing things like that. Edit: Wow speaking of edits, am I reading this right that Jeff Atwood himself edited the title to remove the word "stealing"?

There is an unfortunate karma-reward for making edit suggestions. This regularly results in people making tonnes of similar edits across the site, eg correcting a common spelling error, adding slightly-related tags, or, like your case, removing things that to a Puritan appears superfluous to the question.

Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies

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Post by baud147258 »

scarejunba wrote: post #11

Every one of these community groups inevitably has some sort of internal political strife of some sort. I've never found any meaning in attempting to engage their politics in any more than the most basic sense. The groups always exaggerate the impact of actions upon the rest of us when it's usually a no-op as far as we're concerned. E.g. Reddit iama had this massive controversy around a Reddit facilitator being fired…

One of the forum I'm a member of had some drama the last two weeks, over forum avatars. First all the avatars were replaced by the one from a notorious moderator/news poster making browsing a very interesting experience, at least for myself, since I recognize people there more by avatar than handle and I was catching myself "nope, that's not that mod, it's so-and-so".

Then all the sidebar info (name, posts count, location, badges and tags) and forum signatures were removed, so you'd get no information on who's posting, making it nearly 4chan-style (not a big change on the usual level of discourse there, though). And yesterday only the users who have donated money (either to the forum or to fundraisers events) have their info + signatures back.

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