Yay, maybe interesting questions/discussion won’t be shut down now!
I have the feeling the people who fought back at the annoying closing and overly strict rules got pushed out, not vice versa.
A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies
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Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies
#22Do Jeff Atwood and Joel Spolsky still a say in how SE is run? If yes, now would be the perfect time to step in and moderate the discussion.
Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies
#23I see a lot of people arguing about mods being too strict.
I abhor the recent trend of content decontamination like many others do. But for Q&A sites like SE, I think it is a necessity to stay on topic.
Yes, some moderators might have been too eager in some cases, happened to me too. But since these people are all volunteers, I think they should get some support from the community.
I mean I might have to look for another job if SE ever gets shut down and a lot of knowledge would immediately be lost.
Many people seem to know some mods personally. I have spend a lot of time on that site and couldn't even name one moderator by name/handle.
Quite ironic that a site with a wealth of knowledge has problems with monetization. Some things in the internet economy seem to be quite off.
Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
mods are volunteers, who provide their time for free to improve the site, I'm not aware of any mods that are paid.
How is that acceptable? People need to be paid for working.
Or, people need to stop volunteering their time for free to commercial enterprises and then thinking that time investment gives them rights regarding the management of the enterprise.
Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies
#25Every one of these community groups inevitably has some sort of internal political strife of some sort. I've never found any meaning in attempting to engage their politics in any more than the most basic sense. The groups always exaggerate the impact of actions upon the rest of us when it's usually a no-op as far as we're concerned. E.g. Reddit iama had this massive controversy around a Reddit facilitator being fired…
I think I haven't really read an AMA for years now, they're all very bland now.
Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies
#26Do Jeff Atwood and Joel Spolsky still a say in how SE is run? If yes, now would be the perfect time to step in and moderate the discussion.
He quit just a month or so ago. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2019/03/28/the-next-ceo-of-st...
Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
mods are volunteers, who provide their time for free to improve the site, I'm not aware of any mods that are paid.
How is that acceptable? People need to be paid for working.
Volunteering is a common concept in many communities. We have volunteer fire fighters, volunteer paramedics, volunteer librarians, volunteer social worker, volunteer ...
Some of these in fields, and sometimes even in close alignment to payed people.
In the context of SO there is a community producing Creative Commons (while there was recently a license change making the company less trustworthy) contents to help people and some people love helping others and the assumption is that the value this brings to all is bigger than the value for the company. Until recently the combination seemed to work. The company runs the platform to advertise their job boards and enterprise versions of SO and the community manages the content. But recently changes seem to be frustrating.
For comparison see also Wikipedia volunteers vs. Wikipedia foundation, Mozilla foundation&corp vs. Contributors, and even people happily submitting pull requests to Microsoft products on GitHub.
Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies
#28There is no detail of the actual argument, just loads of people claiming to be in the know and indicating toxic behaviour and dramatic battles behind the scenes. There's a lot of flouncing resignations and "we need to talk" style essays also revealing little of substance. Considering the passion involved some people have clearly been hurt, but perhaps that's due to the amount of time they have invested in somebody el…
> There's a lot of flouncing resignations and "we need to talk" style essays also revealing little of substance.
I feel similarly, I've read all of Monica Cellio's posts and still have no real idea what is going on. Lot's of talk of DMs and messages and emails, but nothing concrete posted, just he said / she said, all while alleging personal innocence and purity.
If there is some concrete evidence and examples, put up or shut up. This is the internet, your word isn't worth much.
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#29This is natural selection at work.
Stack Exchange has become a frustrating site to use.
"Closed as duplicate: different and unrelated question"
reopen further explaining the question and how its not related
"Closed as duplicate: the first question that was immediately closed with no replies"
OR!
Google around, find SE link on issue, everybody is arguing about why the user wants to do it that why, convinces them to do it another way, only I don't have that option, so I open my own question, and its closed as a dupe of the one from google where the original question was never answered.
or
Post helpful answer that actually answers the users question as asked without berating them for wanting to do it that way
Get yelled at in the comments for creating noise?
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The moral of the story is that stack exchange needs to die so that something else can come from its ashes that is able to look back at SE as an example of how not to do shit.
Re: A large number of Stack Exchange mods resigning over new policies
#30Every one of these community groups inevitably has some sort of internal political strife of some sort. I've never found any meaning in attempting to engage their politics in any more than the most basic sense. The groups always exaggerate the impact of actions upon the rest of us when it's usually a no-op as far as we're concerned. E.g. Reddit iama had this massive controversy around a Reddit facilitator being fired…
The quality of iama clearly declined and has not recovered. Is that success? Not by my standard. But it might be successful from Reddit's corporate point of view, since they are no longer paying her salary.