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In Defense of Richard Stallman

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Re: In Defense of Richard Stallman

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Name them please? The "creep" incidents, that is.

Here's a thread: https://mobile.twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/11736371384133...

I read that thread before. The only "creep" I got out of it was that he was an awkward wannabe-dater.

And that thread contains misleading or outright false information, so I am honestly not sure what of it is truth-worthy. Do you have secondary sources, or is this internet rumor all?

Re: In Defense of Richard Stallman

#93

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> It wasn't just awkward demeanor. He actively made women feel unwelcome in the workplace and behaved unprofessionally over and over again. Every episode I read about fell into the category of "socially awkward adult male". If we can't, as a group, tolerate awkwardness, we are very much down the rabbit hole of mandatory social conformity. By all means, point me to a real abuse scenario by Stallman. I like being prove…

Ignoring a legal age of consent, refusing to accept the accepted definitions of assault and rape, and claiming they were actually willing are emphatically not just "socially awkward".

Claiming they were actually willing and claiming they presented themselves as actually willing are two very different things. These are very dangerous accusations you are throwing around - you might do well to stick to what he actually said and wrote.

Re: In Defense of Richard Stallman

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He might’ve been an influential figure, but he’s still a creep. Just because someone made something once doesn’t mean we should turn a blind eye towards them.

before someone goes into a defensive rage... rms being a creep and particularly women at MIT going to great lengths to avoid him is well documented these remarks, while slightly distorted by the media, are still part of a pattern of dismissing sexual assault (including the way RMS insists on not using the word assault despite it being well understood that assault does not have to be physical violence) rms is the sort…

You, too - stop lying. People have been asking for documentation in every thread about this and it never shows up. Stop fucking lying.

Re: In Defense of Richard Stallman

#95

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> It wasn't just awkward demeanor. He actively made women feel unwelcome in the workplace and behaved unprofessionally over and over again. Every episode I read about fell into the category of "socially awkward adult male". If we can't, as a group, tolerate awkwardness, we are very much down the rabbit hole of mandatory social conformity. By all means, point me to a real abuse scenario by Stallman. I like being prove…

Ignoring a legal age of consent, refusing to accept the accepted definitions of assault and rape, and claiming they were actually willing are emphatically not just "socially awkward".

Having a view that the law is wrong is not a crime, and nor should it be.

If it were, who needs legislature?

Re: In Defense of Richard Stallman

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> blatantly lie about what was said, I've seen this said a few times, and it needs to be cleared up. Stallman defended Minsky by saying it wasn't rape and it was assault. To mount this defence Stallman had to ignore common English definitions for both words, and he had to ignore the legal definitions of both words. People are angry at Stallman for what he actually said, not what you think they think he said. If you w…

His creepy, shirtless "get on my mattress" calls to female undergrads at MIT register as more than being awkward or autistic. That alone should be unacceptable behavior for faculty.

Re: In Defense of Richard Stallman

#97

Sigh. No. It's not just about one incidence of some mistakenly pedantic comments, as has been made clear by many, many people. It's a pattern of behaviour over years combined with no interest in listening to other people or accepting that he might be in the wrong. His behaviour towards women in particular has resulted in a lot of people sharing stories of his behaviour which, on their own, should be enough for someon…

Maybe, but maybe they would have other tools, better tools, built by the people his behaviour, and the behaviour of people like him, have driven from the industry before they got a chance to have the impact that people like him seem to assume is a right.

They ware free to develop whatever they want. If they do not wish to be a part of the GNU project that is fine, make your own project and develop whatever you want.

If people out there were willing to put in the years to create better software than what the GNU project provides than they would have done so.

And a lot of great free software has been created outside of GNU.

It is like saying that unless you get commit rights to the Linux kernel, or if you didn't partake in Linux development you could not write software. Maybe Linus called you an idiot.

Your argument is that if Linux hadnt written the kernel we would have had a better operating system today.

Being a part of a project is not a right, it is a privilege. Writing free software is something anyone can do, and they can do it a lot better because of GNU/Linux. Just do it.

Re: In Defense of Richard Stallman

#98

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> It wasn't just awkward demeanor. He actively made women feel unwelcome in the workplace and behaved unprofessionally over and over again. Every episode I read about fell into the category of "socially awkward adult male". If we can't, as a group, tolerate awkwardness, we are very much down the rabbit hole of mandatory social conformity. By all means, point me to a real abuse scenario by Stallman. I like being prove…

Ignoring a legal age of consent, refusing to accept the accepted definitions of assault and rape, and claiming they were actually willing are emphatically not just "socially awkward".

Citation needed.

Re: In Defense of Richard Stallman

#99
It seems the damage is done and cannot be reversed.

About the only lesson you can learn from this is that if you really cherish Freedom of Speech, then you actually require Fuck-you money to practice that right effectively.

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