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https://youtu.be/Sdwy9fzQzl4 Scott Manley does a great job explaining such things!

I'm surprised the guy being a youtuber. He is the codecs guy at Apple Computers

I'm shocked that I'm the last person to know this. I didn't know I could be more impressed with him.

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I would love to know what the "Day-in-the-life" of a welder working on those ships would be. Did they train specifically for aerospace welding? How did they land that specific gig. Must be so inspiring to wake up and work on that.

I'd watch a Bob Ross of welding if that channel existed.

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I'm surprised the guy being a youtuber. He is the codecs guy at Apple Computers

Isn't he an astronomer / astrophysicist? You must be talking about another Scott Manley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Manley

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Starship could have Falcon Heavy level of delays (which I think it will) and still beat SLS.

Not entirely sure about that. Have no skin in the game but from what I can tell Starship is just a bigger version of the Falcon 9 second stage. FH on the other hand required a lot of engineering investment to figure out how to bolt three F9s together and how to make the software work between all three. I'm certain it will be a long time until it can get to Mars, but LEO within the next 2-3 years is probably realistic…

> from what I can tell Starship is just a bigger version of the Falcon 9 second stage

I know I'm piling on here with this quote but I just don't understand why you'd say this if you'd done the least amount of research. They are about as different as two rockets can be—do you think Starship is "just a bigger version" because it's an upper stage? Because it's built by the same company? Its design and (theoretical, until it flies) capabilities are radically different and expanded relative to F9 stage 2.

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I think this illustrates what someone who actually understands the engineering being in charge of a company can really do to revolutionize a field. If a non-engineer is in charge of a space company, they'll look at the popular science articles and assume that single launch is the only way to do things. They'll also assume that we just need to get the material science right to be able to do space elevators. They'll as…

I love how we've suddenly decided that all the solid engineering done in the space industry, for decades, was done by fools reading pop science. But now a "real engineer" is showing us the way. SpaceX is standing on the shoulders of giants.

For the first few decades after WWII, the rocket and space industry was run by brilliant engineers. After Apollo it got taken over by mba's and political types, and basically stagnated. That is why you have SLS which is actually inferior to Saturn V.

But then Musk took over and once again a brilliant, innovative engineer was in charge, and so we are back to making real progress in space travel.

By the way, I am not talking about the space probe designers. They have been brilliant, and have produce an astounding series of scientific advances. But the rocket industry has stagnated.

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380s for ISP for the Raptor vacuum engine seems durn good, considering the tradeoffs between hydrogen and methane. The most efficient engines we've flown, the RL-10 [0] (used on the Delta IV and Atlas rockets as part of the Centaur Upper Stage) and the RS-25 [1], (the Space Shuttle Main Engine) get around 450-460s for their specific impulse. These engines use liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. The issue with liquid h…

I'm no rocket scientist, so bear that in mind, but something has been bugging me about the flight paths for this vehicle [0]. It has to make some very large, specific orientation changes several times during descent, using the heat shield on one side of the vehicle, and then only rotating to upright orientation in the lower atmosphere, after quite a lot of falling sideways. The orientation maneuvers seem much more complicated than their current booster re-entry flight paths [1]. and even more complex than the space shuttle [2].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQTnWEHl5qU

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YyV-otP3pI

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=TOieURpnbm0

This appears to me to make each flight much more complicated to pull off, introducing more points for it to fail without contingencies, and it makes me nervous. But, again, I am an just an unenlightened observer from an unrelated field. I don't even play Kerbal Space Program! I'm sure they've weighed a million different options and their risks, and have arrived at this one after a lot of thinking, but it has been bugging me. The stainless steel construction certainly looks beautiful out there in Texas.

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I am so amazed by the genius of making it out of steel. It's just so completely counter intuitive but has accelerated their progress so much. If they told you the stats of the material, better strength at cryo tempertures meaning mass reduction, higher melting point meaning minimal heat shielding and great thermal conductivity it would be easy to imagine it was some new super composite. Then your head explodes when t…

How come no one thought of using steel before?

The benefits of standing up to high temperatures are important for reusable rockets that need to land (the heating happens on the way down, not on the way up). If you're not going to land, aluminum-lithium like Falcon 9 is better.

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Some quotes from Elon Musk in the presentation: "If the schedule is long it's wrong, if it's tight its right." "The best part is no part." "The best process is no process." This really is different compared to how the space industry has done things in the past.

In an interview Musk said there is this strange rule that no matter what you make the schedule, it takes twice as long, so what makes the most sense is to just set it unreasonably short, and then it will take longer, but be as fast as possible.

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I suspect that Starship will fly to space before SLS ever will. I also think Starship has a significantly higher chance of flying at all than SLS.

It is certainly a little bold of Bridenstine to comment on other space companies being behind schedule given NASA’s own delays.

Elon Musk said 5% of SpaceX was working on Starship and that the hardware for crew would be ready this year (in interview to CNN after the QA he said October for in flight abort and November for DM-2).
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