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Number theorist fears many proofs widely considered to be true are wrong

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Re: Number theorist fears many proofs widely considered to be true are wrong

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Headline is of course absurd hyperbole that does not belong here. > "I think there is a non-zero chance that some of our great castles are built on sand," Buzzard wrote in a slide presentation. "But I think it's small."

Well, they also quote him as saying:

"I’m suddenly concerned that all of published math is wrong because mathematicians are not checking the details, and I’ve seen them wrong before,”

Re: Number theorist fears many proofs widely considered to be true are wrong

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Anyone interested in this topic, I have a prediction that the time is right for a new math, that starts from just 1 and 0, and builds every symbol up in a rigorous way.

We're working on the infrastructure to make such a thing easier, but the project does not currently have a leader: https://github.com/treenotation/jtree/issues/83

Re: Number theorist fears many proofs widely considered to be true are wrong

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There is a big grey area between "not 100% correct" and "wrong and harmful". Like a faulty computer program that produces correct results in 99.999% of the cases a wrong mathematical statement can still yield useful results in practice. You just don't want to run into those pesky edge cases where it indeed is wrong. Having a database of all mathematical proofs where all of them are checked for validity, however, is a…

> a wrong mathematical statement can still yield useful results in practice

Yes and no. For some basic conjectures this might be the case, but one of the greatest utilities of certain theorems is how they can be applied to completely new fields. If a theorem used in this manner is not actually true, then the proof is invalid -- and it might be the case that (several proofs down the line) the conjecture you've ended up proving is almost entirely invalid.

There's also the slippery slope of "Principle of Explosion"-type problems with accepting "mostly right" proofs -- it means you will be able to prove any given statement (even ones which are outright false).

Re: Number theorist fears many proofs widely considered to be true are wrong

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post #12

Anyone interested in this topic, I have a prediction that the time is right for a new math, that starts from just 1 and 0, and builds every symbol up in a rigorous way. We're working on the infrastructure to make such a thing easier, but the project does not currently have a leader: https://github.com/treenotation/jtree/issues/83

Forgive me, but why is the TreeNotation/jtree library the right place to craft a new "rigorous" mathematics language?

Re: Number theorist fears many proofs widely considered to be true are wrong

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Extreme clickbait headline. The subheading is '"I think there is a non-zero chance that some of our great castles are built on sand," he said, arguing that we must begin to rely on AI to verify proofs.'

But, more consistent with the alarmist headline:

> “I’m suddenly concerned that all of published math is wrong because mathematicians are not checking the details, and I’ve seen them wrong before,” Buzzard told Motherboard while he was attending the 10th Interactive Theorem Proving conference in Portland, Oregon, where he gave the opening talk.

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