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Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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“They have not removed it, it just is not visible by default if you are connected to the internet. Either run the setup without being connected to the internet, or type in a fake phone number a few times and it will give you the prompt to create a local account.”

That's a pretty clear dark pattern, no?

At the very least, it signals that Microsoft really doesn't want users creating offline accounts. Which is troubling, because their TOS for online accounts is quite onerous, and includes a couple of problematic restrictions, including a mandatory arbitration agreement.

If I was a Windows user who relied on local accounts this would be very worrying to me.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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I understand correcting the title to be more accurate to the situation, but I think the discussion should be focused on how Microsoft is taking power away from users, and has business incentive to do so. I don't like that the greater tech community rallies behind Microsoft for doing some basic contributions to open source and then hand waves away moves like this.

Edit: the comment section has shifted and I'm less disappointed.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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“They have not removed it, it just is not visible by default if you are connected to the internet. Either run the setup without being connected to the internet, or type in a fake phone number a few times and it will give you the prompt to create a local account.”

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Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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The online account is crap. I converted my offline account recently to the online one, just to see what's the difference.

The difference is that I cannot even set a password, it asks me to set up a PIN number to log in. Of course you can set it to accept letters in your PIN, so it can function as a regular password.

But what the hell is the point?

(In fact, I didn't set any PIN the first time and at the next reboot I had to log in with my Microsoft account password, which is decidedly more complicated that the not-very-secure one I use to log in my PC. Thank god I have a password manager on my phone.)

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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I just want them to let me pick my own god damned name for the home folder. I hate the weird shit they pick for me.

why do people still use windows? It's stupid and naive to ask that, but I keep wondering why devs aren't successful in getting changes made at their companies.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no indication of magical behaviour, it's just unfriendly.

It is a dark pattern because it is from a corporation that know what they are doing and had passed all the internal UI/UX tests. At this time it should be punished as well as its difficult to avoid telemetry issues.

I agree it's a dark pattern. I've seen much worse dark patterns though, so it's hardly beyond that.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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I just want them to let me pick my own god damned name for the home folder. I hate the weird shit they pick for me.

Ha-ha-ha, that's the only reason I do that too. E.g. create a local account first, then sign-in.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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This seems like it is preparatory to removing it entirely.

It wouldn't be shocking if in 10 years you need a Microsoft account to use windows on a computer you don't have root access to that isn't allowed to run a non ms os or to distribute software that ms gets a 30% cut.

If it isn't so it will be because they don't think they can get away with it.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point they've crossed over from 'dark pattern' to 'black magic fuckery'.

There's no indication of magical behaviour, it's just unfriendly.

By magic, GP means that it's undiscoverable.

It's a crazy thing to say, "start the installer without a network connection and you'll suddenly get a new option in the installer." Or, "when the installer asks you for your email, keep spamming invalid responses until it gets frustrated and unlocks the ability to skip the prompt."

That doesn't sound like a sensible UX flow, or even a UX flow with consumer-unfriendly prompts and directions. It sounds like a video game cheat code or easter egg.

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