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Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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The keeping safe argument from government is indeed preposterous. As if that was their mission to keep us safe. Why are they allowing our nature to be destroyed in favor of money/economy? This years heatwaves killed many thousands of people in Europe only, some estimates are in the tens of thousands. This is real deaths in 1 year, not because of terrorist attacks, no fucking backdoor will stop this. And what are they…

>They are the only ones who can change things by law, not me. I had this thought yesterday as I read about several prominent politicians in Canada, including the prime minister, actively participating in the climate 'protests' that occurred yesterday. Who were they out there protesting? Themselves? They're the ones with the power to change things. Why were they outside with signs instead of in their offices doing som…

Right? I mean why can't politicians unilaterally change things without convincing the electorate and just fix climate change, the way Kathleen Wynne so successfully managed to in Ontario?

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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So are you saying the backdoors will or won't be introduced to WhatsApp?

Will not. We are completely opposed to this. Backdoors are a horrible idea and any government who suggests them is proposing weakening the security and privacy of everyone.

Thanks for the clarity.

So will WhatsApp refuse to comply, if this goes forward?

And is that even possible?

I do appreciate that Facebook has the resources to fight. To fight an NSL, even. But IANAL, and have no clue.

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You are absolutely right. I also already assume the government can access virtually anything I am doing anyways. I think we are all naive to believe otherwise. I also have nothing to hide :-)

My questions to people who say they have nothing to hide: - what are the things you and your significant other are doing in the private of your house? - which co-worker do fantasize about, be specific in what you like to do. - As teenager what legal/illegal drugs did you consume. How often did you pass out, who where the people you consumed these drugs with? - What are your political leanings? - How much do earn, whe…

> Be aware that I will share this information with anyone in your social group/work/volunteering work whenever I feel like it. I may also share this data with extremists groups on the other side of the spectrum, if helpful. Lastly I can use this data to fabricate "helpful" information about you if necessary

Citation needed

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And deletes your account for 'fraud' if you log in on an IP someone else used for malicious activity.

Great, so basically you are a criminal for using a VPN to protect your privacy, since criminals also use VPNs :facepalm:

My Twitter account has been suspended for suspicious activity. Someone with whom I disagreed probably tried logging into my account a few times that triggered it, and now I cannot regain access to my account unless I provide my phone number. When you sign up, phone number is optional, but when someone fucks around with you, it becomes mandatory. The fact that the system is designed this way is absurd. This is not limited to Twitter, by the way.

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Along with the vote in process there should be a vote out process. The public should be able to force a vote of their representative at any time during their term and equally vote in their replacement. The intention being that politicians are aware that they must be consistent with their words and actions throughout their term otherwise they will lose their seat.

Hope we find a way to vote some of them out fast. Some months before the last big bail out legislations, in my state we had a US Senate candidate who was new in our political scene, appeared as a local man with a law degree from our state university, and he spoke about how the working people struggled with unemployment, delinquencies etc, as he knew middle class issues and can change the ways of Washington. PBS featu…

Everyone bitched at me for not voting the last election. To every person who asked me, I asked who they voted for our states railroad commissioner. They all said “oh I don’t know I just voted all blue”. I asked them if they knew what our railroad commissioner did, they did not know. So I proceeded to enlighten them on how the RR commissioner controls everything around our state’s oil fund and that they all just voted for the equivalent of donald trump to manage our oil rich state.

Of course he did not win because the other candidate was much better qualified and rural voters knew him en masse (he’s the one that signs checks for all the citizen stewards of oil fields), but I found it hilarious that people would flame me for not voting for a figurehead (president) but be a-ok to vote in some no name hack to manage our schools because of big money advertising in elections

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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We were surprised to read this story and are not aware of discussions that would force us to change our product. We believe people have a fundamental right to have private conversations. End-to-end encryption protects that right for over a billion people every day. We will always oppose government attempts to build backdoors because they would weaken the security of everyone who uses WhatsApp including governments th…

Glad you have the packs of the people when the Government doesn't.

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That's assuming AES is safe.

AES is far and away the most heavily scrutinized encryption algorithm in history. Of course that doesn't make it flawless, but the level of genius that the authors would need to hide a backdoor in it for all these years boggles the mind. The implementation of AES in popular CPUs? Yeah, who knows.

Yeah, I would not even go as far as AES in your CPU. Just... any part of your CPU, or your motherboard, or your GPU. RISC-V is still not suitable for desktop, or at least not commercially available AFAIK, and POWER9 is too expensive. I want open software and open hardware!

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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post #332

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The keeping safe argument from government is indeed preposterous. As if that was their mission to keep us safe. Why are they allowing our nature to be destroyed in favor of money/economy? This years heatwaves killed many thousands of people in Europe only, some estimates are in the tens of thousands. This is real deaths in 1 year, not because of terrorist attacks, no fucking backdoor will stop this. And what are they…

I can not find any source that many thousands if not tens of thousands died in Europe in 2019 from the heat wave. Can you point me to your information source? I believe you are confusing the 2003 heatwave from over a decade ago with the one in 2019. The 2019 heat was directly implicated in the deaths of at least 15 people. Five died in France, four in Germany, three in the United Kingdom, two in Spain, and one in Ita…

> The 2019 heat was directly implicated in the deaths of at least 15 people. Five died in France,

That is not correct whoever wrote it. just do a google search: heatwave 2019 total deaths

CNN reports already 1500 deaths in France only. This is a link to a news site where they estimate a higher count, although I of course cannot verify the correctness of the source: https://www.vox.com/world/2019/6/26/18744518/heat-wave-2019-...

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Yeah only a stupid person can think that backdooring whatsapp will actually prevent the next 9/11. And that's in my opinion the core issue with most politicians, stupidity/tech illiteracy. I'd love to hear about either a possible alternative government structure in which there are no politicians or a way to attract the smartest people in governments.

> I'd love to hear about either a possible alternative government structure in which there are no politicians So the core problem is that humans don't make great rulers. Not are we good at selecting rulers. Individuals are the flaw in the system. And a government without stupidity, means a government without humans. Thus... http://bit.ly/2nsTLdE

Blockchain? (I didn’t click your link)

But in that system, how do you allow leniency for the 40 year old single mother of 5 who accidentally switched lanes without using a turn signal?

Individuals also represent humanity in the government. We are not a nation of robots.

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I am about 90% certain that IRC and Slack is already well backdoored.

IRC? If that were the case, and open source servers like UnrealIRCd were somehow backdoored in a way the community couldn't detect, you're still free to implement your own backdoor-free server and client if you want. The spec is freely and openly available as RFC1459.

That, and there is OTR. You can create your own IRC client in a few lines of code in Python, and you can pull OTR on top of it quite easily.

As far as Slack goes... I trust them as much as I trust Discord: I do not.

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