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Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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Curious what this means for other end-to-end encrypted services such as iMessage.

I'm equally curious what this means for Signal and any other open-source encrypted services. In the US, ITAR could hypothetically be used to make open-sourcing of cryptographic algorithms illegal. This technique is used for robotics software that could be dual-purposed for weapons guidance.

The EAR does not cover publically availible source code but specifically exempts it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm equally curious what this means for Signal and any other open-source encrypted services. In the US, ITAR could hypothetically be used to make open-sourcing of cryptographic algorithms illegal. This technique is used for robotics software that could be dual-purposed for weapons guidance.

The EAR does not cover publically availible source code but specifically exempts it.

Is "EAR" the agreement? It sounds like you know about it. Can you share information with us?

Re: Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K.?

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The title is editorialized - it's not just Whatsapp, it's all social media platforms.

And it's misleading -- the article and the article's headline say nothing about adding a backdoor. There's not enough detail in the article to say exactly how this decision will affect WhatsApp.

(The headline on Bloomberg, "Facebook, WhatsApp Will Have to Share Messages With U.K. Police" is more restrained.)

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> Social media platforms based in the U.S. including Facebook and WhatsApp will be forced to share users’ encrypted messages with British police under a new treaty between the two countries, according to a person familiar with the matter. This sounds as if the platforms are already sharing with the US authorities. So this being about them sharing it now with UK authorities.

I wonder what happens with Signal as it's US-based.

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This is essentially a worrying prospect if these developments are actually implemented or advance further. The users trust in the social media service is breached if a backdoor where to be placed in their products (It also defeats the purpose of the end-to-end encryption argument). If you reside in the UK and especially in London, things have just become 500% more Orwellian.

>Priti Patel, the U.K.’s home secretary, has previously warned that Facebook’s plan to enable users to send end-to-end encrypted messages would benefit criminals...

In London alone, it is not possible to pay for public transport with cash. A debit card/oyster is required but for anonymous travel, an oyster can be topped up via cash and reduces transport surveillance, unlike using credit / debit cards. Their reasons for doing this because it "benefits criminals" is echoing the "ban encryption" nonsense.

> The U.K. and the U.S. have agreed not to investigate each other’s citizens as part of the deal...

This I don't believe.

EDIT: Use a oyster card for public anonymous transport, refrain from using a credit / debit card for this.

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post #5

Curious what this means for other end-to-end encrypted services such as iMessage.

I'm equally curious what this means for Signal and any other open-source encrypted services. In the US, ITAR could hypothetically be used to make open-sourcing of cryptographic algorithms illegal. This technique is used for robotics software that could be dual-purposed for weapons guidance.

Proteus, I am concerned too. Sometimes fiction reflects reality better than we might like, I am thinking of William Gibson’s cyber punk future distopean sci-fi.

That said, freedom can also be in our own minds, creating a good life in an ocean of political corruption and increasing control of corporations/elites. It would take more effort, but I think I could also have a good life in Gibson’s sci-fi worlds.

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post #17

> Social media platforms based in the U.S. including Facebook and WhatsApp will be forced to share users’ encrypted messages with British police under a new treaty between the two countries, according to a person familiar with the matter. This sounds as if the platforms are already sharing with the US authorities. So this being about them sharing it now with UK authorities.

I wonder what happens with Signal as it's US-based.

Maybe @moxie could enlighten us.
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