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Re: Rudder, an open source Segment alternative

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How does this compare to Snowplow? https://github.com/snowplow/snowplow

I've been using snowplow for 2M+ events/mo and can still remember the pains of setting up. Plus, there's a fixed schema required. I haven't looked into rudder but I'll switch if it offers easier setup and schema.

Would love to work with you while you are evaluating this. Please email soumyadeb@rudderlabs.com or join our slack https://rudderlabs.herokuapp.com if you need any help

Re: Rudder, an open source Segment alternative

#82

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I've been using snowplow for 2M+ events/mo and can still remember the pains of setting up. Plus, there's a fixed schema required. I haven't looked into rudder but I'll switch if it offers easier setup and schema.

Would love to work with you while you are evaluating this. Please email soumyadeb@rudderlabs.com or join our slack https://rudderlabs.herokuapp.com if you need any help

Thanks for making a great product with an open source. I'll definitely be trying it out soon for client web and mobile apps.

I know self hosting snowplow is already dirt cheap; but is there any price comparison by any chance?

Re: Rudder, an open source Segment alternative

#83

This looks great, and I look forward to finding time to try it soon. However, I believe it's misleading to call it "open source". The SPPL license is not generally considered to be an open source licence by any meaningful definition, and in particular does not meet the OSI definition and is incompatible with most licences that do. I understand the need these days to protect against aggressive cloud providers, but the…

Thanks for the pointer - will check it out. We are totally novice on this - we don't even have a license attorney. We just picked SSPL because that's what everyone seemed to suggest to prevent the likes of AWS cloning it. Now that we got some visibility, we will carefully take a look at this issue. But at heart we want to build an open-source community while still being a viable business on the likes of MatterMost, E…

This is, what I think is, Mattermost's answer to the current debate around the ethics of FAANG (and others) using open source software to make lots of money without substantially contributing back to the OS projects financially or in code. https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-server/blob/master/...

My understanding is that, Mattermost is okay with others making money from their software if they don't modify it - which will practically work for some, but not all, small companies, and will be very difficult for the big companies to use. If the big companies want to modify and use Mattermost-server for free they are forced to contribute back the changes to the OS project, and then can make as much money as they want. Or use option 2, pay Mattermost a bunch of money for the privilege of not contributing back code to the OS project. In other words FAANG and co can either contribute to Mattermost financially or in code - their pick.

Re: Rudder, an open source Segment alternative

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The author responded to you, but I think this deserves emphasis. True privacy is not about additional features or promises made by a cloud provider. It's not private unless you handle the data yourself, period point blank. This should be obvious.

The entire point of using Segment is not their data transformation SDKs. AFAIK these are open source anyway. It is the managed infrastructure. Outage? You can keep sleeping. Google Analytics deprecating their API for a new one? Segment's on it. The have all your data. They can replay all events from beginning if needed (so they say, never had to ask for this).

BTW, event replaying is coming in 2 weeks with Rudder :) Also, we are developing extensive test suites to check for API depreciations etc. That was one of the reasons we picked JS for our transformations - shipping an update would be easy. Infra outage - sure but you probably have a prod infra to manage anyway so why not one more piece.

No doubt segment is a great product and there will always be folks who want its simplicity. However, at some scale companies should take privacy of their user data seriously.

Re: Rudder, an open source Segment alternative

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Would love to work with you while you are evaluating this. Please email soumyadeb@rudderlabs.com or join our slack https://rudderlabs.herokuapp.com if you need any help

Thanks for making a great product with an open source. I'll definitely be trying it out soon for client web and mobile apps. I know self hosting snowplow is already dirt cheap; but is there any price comparison by any chance?

Honestly, we haven't figured out our pricing model yet - it will likely be a combination of support+enterprise features (don't know what those features would be).

At this point we want to make our pilots/customers successful. Would love to understand your use case first and we can discuss pricing (e.g. if you need us to manage it etc)? Follow-up with you on your HN email?

Re: Rudder, an open source Segment alternative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the pointer - will check it out. We are totally novice on this - we don't even have a license attorney. We just picked SSPL because that's what everyone seemed to suggest to prevent the likes of AWS cloning it. Now that we got some visibility, we will carefully take a look at this issue. But at heart we want to build an open-source community while still being a viable business on the likes of MatterMost, E…

This is, what I think is, Mattermost's answer to the current debate around the ethics of FAANG (and others) using open source software to make lots of money without substantially contributing back to the OS projects financially or in code. https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-server/blob/master/... My understanding is that, Mattermost is okay with others making money from their software if they don't modify it -…

That would work perfectly for us too. Is that considered an open-source license? We have heard OSI has strict standards around that

Re: Rudder, an open source Segment alternative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author responded to you, but I think this deserves emphasis. True privacy is not about additional features or promises made by a cloud provider. It's not private unless you handle the data yourself, period point blank. This should be obvious.

The entire point of using Segment is not their data transformation SDKs. AFAIK these are open source anyway. It is the managed infrastructure. Outage? You can keep sleeping. Google Analytics deprecating their API for a new one? Segment's on it. The have all your data. They can replay all events from beginning if needed (so they say, never had to ask for this).

> It is the managed infrastructure. Outage? You can keep sleeping.

I don't think an outage in a third party service I've depended on has ever allowed me to keep sleeping. In reality, I've been awake, dealing with outage fallout, keeping up to date on status updates, and overall just feeling in the dark, unable to improve the situation for my customers.

That's not saying that depending on a third party service isn't sometimes the right move, but "I get to sleep when there's a problem" isn't a consideration there. The pager still goes off.

Re: Rudder, an open source Segment alternative

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This looks great, and I look forward to finding time to try it soon. However, I believe it's misleading to call it "open source". The SPPL license is not generally considered to be an open source licence by any meaningful definition, and in particular does not meet the OSI definition and is incompatible with most licences that do. I understand the need these days to protect against aggressive cloud providers, but the…

The BSL is not open source, but appears to be a commitment to eventually releaseing code as open source.
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