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NASA Wants to Send Nuclear Rockets to the Moon and Mars

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Re: NASA Wants to Send Nuclear Rockets to the Moon and Mars

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Um, uh, um, uh...where to start? "Mined" from where? How?

The moon? Asteroids? Or even just ship up unrefined ore such that a catastrophic failure can’t threaten the population.

What risks make that extraordinary cost worthwhile?

Re: NASA Wants to Send Nuclear Rockets to the Moon and Mars

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I’m disappointed.

I expected a project-Orion-type interstellar solution. Not a measly ”twice as fast as conventional“ water kettle.

Also, no word about what they will acually use. Because classic uranium is a quite limited resource actually. It has been said to run out even before fossil fuels.

Also, why not a fusion rocket? Given that we know how to make fusion bombs. Because until we find a massive amount of anti-matter, this will be the next best thing for a loong time. The only limiting factor would be a human body's ability to withstand G forces.

Re: NASA Wants to Send Nuclear Rockets to the Moon and Mars

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How big is the added risk of toxic waste? I'm not sure how much waste is produced in relation to propulsion energy given but it must be quite small? And I imagine that during travel in space you could just dump that waste out into space considering the vastness of it all.

Whenever you're splitting Uranium atoms the results will tend to be radioactive. The results will build up in the fuel over time and eventually make the reactor stop working. Conventional reactors breed a bit of plutonium too as U238 captures neutrons but most aerospace reactors want to be as light as possible and so use highly enriched Uranium. So after your trip the engine will be quite radioactive but, as you poin…

Who said anything about uranium?

There are elements with far more favorable decay paths. Short decay + using that decay too = pretty much a clean nuclear reactor.

Re: NASA Wants to Send Nuclear Rockets to the Moon and Mars

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I’m increasingly of the opinion that nuclear for space should be mined and built in space. Just launch the infrastructure needed to bootstrap the process.

Um, uh, um, uh...where to start? "Mined" from where? How?

The moon's dust contains huge amounts of helium-3.

Which apparently is an amazing power source.

Also, why fission? We do have working fusion reactors. They are called hydrogen bombs. (The outer part, at least.) As long as you can keep the G forces low ...

Re: NASA Wants to Send Nuclear Rockets to the Moon and Mars

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I’m disappointed. I expected a project-Orion-type interstellar solution. Not a measly ”twice as fast as conventional“ water kettle. Also, no word about what they will acually use. Because classic uranium is a quite limited resource actually. It has been said to run out even before fossil fuels. Also, why not a fusion rocket? Given that we know how to make fusion bombs. Because until we find a massive amount of anti-m…

All of those things are harder than a nuclear thermal rocket. Got to walk before you run. And a fusion reactor is actually likely to be much heavier than a fission one (at least in the near term).

They're using Low Enriched Uranium for this design. We have plenty of uranium (resources are huge, but no one bothers to prove them into reserves until the price is right), and not much is required for this project.

Don't be disappointed by the first step in a journey not taking you immediately to the destination.

Re: NASA Wants to Send Nuclear Rockets to the Moon and Mars

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what happens at the end of such a trip, when the propellant is exhausted, and can no longer evaporatively cool the core?

it has to contain enough propellant to come back to Earth orbit to refuel the propellant coolant?

even if the core is throttled to its lowest levels, it will still produce heat in the vacuum of space? or will radiative cooling balance the remaining production of heat?

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what happens at the end of such a trip, when the propellant is exhausted, and can no longer evaporatively cool the core? it has to contain enough propellant to come back to Earth orbit to refuel the propellant coolant? even if the core is throttled to its lowest levels, it will still produce heat in the vacuum of space? or will radiative cooling balance the remaining production of heat?

Why do you believe they haven't/aren't already thought/thinking about these things and solving them? Or are you just genuinely curious?

Re: NASA Wants to Send Nuclear Rockets to the Moon and Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever you're splitting Uranium atoms the results will tend to be radioactive. The results will build up in the fuel over time and eventually make the reactor stop working. Conventional reactors breed a bit of plutonium too as U238 captures neutrons but most aerospace reactors want to be as light as possible and so use highly enriched Uranium. So after your trip the engine will be quite radioactive but, as you poin…

I’m increasingly of the opinion that nuclear for space should be mined and built in space. Just launch the infrastructure needed to bootstrap the process.

I'm all for that in the long run, but that's in the long run. Especially with Orion Drives they're too dangerous to fly themselves off the Earth but too heavy to launch on something else so they're entirely impractical right now. But it would be cool if we could be launching them from the Moon in the 2080s.

Re: NASA Wants to Send Nuclear Rockets to the Moon and Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever you're splitting Uranium atoms the results will tend to be radioactive. The results will build up in the fuel over time and eventually make the reactor stop working. Conventional reactors breed a bit of plutonium too as U238 captures neutrons but most aerospace reactors want to be as light as possible and so use highly enriched Uranium. So after your trip the engine will be quite radioactive but, as you poin…

Who said anything about uranium? There are elements with far more favorable decay paths. Short decay + using that decay too = pretty much a clean nuclear reactor.

Well, I'm no nuclear engineer but I'd hope that if you could make one of those that was light enough NASA would use that instead.
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