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Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by dustingetz »

snapey wrote: post #14
dominotw wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

It hasn't fallen. The Clojure community has been growing steadily and continues to grow (it's a great community, I'll add). Things have just settled down since, that's why there are fewer announcement. As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1]. Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019…

John deGoes said "Clojure developers ... consciously stay inside the Clojure community because they love the language and ecosystem" and I think that's pretty interesting – Clojure has like this event horizon where if you cross it, you become so attached to it that you never leave. It's like a little black hole that is already self-sustaining – it can only grow, it will never die, and it can happily wait for opportunity.

We think of hockey stick tech adoption curves as smooth exponentials, but that's not actually true. Hockey sticks demonstrate COMPLIMENT EFFECTS, which is where the latent potential for growth is suddenly activated by an external trigger. An example is broadband/youtube, described by VC Chris Dixon here: http://cdixon.org/2009/09/10/non-linearity-of-technology-ado... Another is smartphones and smartphone apps. Ruby/Rails. Scala/bigdata.

Our goal at http://www.hyperfiddle.net is to use the low-code movement to trigger complement effects in Clojure.

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by htfu »

TickMark wrote: post #8

I thought I wouldn't live to see the day for Clojure related link to be the top link on HN. I had to reload 5 times. Clojure's cool, I am glad I got to work with it professionally. I did go back to Javascript, but it made me a better developer. It strikes a nice balance between being a pure functional language and being practical.

Hmm, feels to me like there's something Clojure related on the front page every other day. Transient enough though.

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by WillPostForFood »

snapey wrote: post #14
dominotw wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

It hasn't fallen. The Clojure community has been growing steadily and continues to grow (it's a great community, I'll add). Things have just settled down since, that's why there are fewer announcement. As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1]. Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019…

Is it growing? It is a difficult metric to quantify, but looking at thing like Github, or Reddit, it seems flat or declining. Clojure initially benefited as the preferred Java escape path, but it seems like that has been supplanted by Kotlin.

https://github.com/oprogramador/github-languages#most-failin...

https://www.benfrederickson.com/ranking-programming-language...

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by StreamBright »

dominotw wrote: post #12
hombre_fatal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5-8 years ago, Clojure was constantly on HN! Then it fell out of HN attention.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

What are you talking about? The long term Clojure users are probably still using Clojure, based on the activity observed on Github repos. I think Java people who do not like Clojure much more inclined to use Scala and more recently Kotlin.

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by htfu »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #24
snapey wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hasn't fallen. The Clojure community has been growing steadily and continues to grow (it's a great community, I'll add). Things have just settled down since, that's why there are fewer announcement. As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1]. Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019…

Is it growing? It is a difficult metric to quantify, but looking at thing like Github, or Reddit, it seems flat or declining. Clojure initially benefited as the preferred Java escape path, but it seems like that has been supplanted by Kotlin. https://github.com/oprogramador/github-languages#most-failin... https://www.benfrederickson.com/ranking-programming-language...

At least the first link has a pretty crazy cutoff though, 2018. Once a lib is mature it can easily go years without updates, doesn't mean development has been abandoned, much less usage.

But trying to compare across languages by package manager traffic or something would obviously be a lot harder.

In any case apparent zero velocity, whatever it's actually tracking, definitely shows that general interest (which constantly seems high) isn't really translating to really wide adoption.

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by hota_mazi »

snapey wrote: post #14
dominotw wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

It hasn't fallen. The Clojure community has been growing steadily and continues to grow (it's a great community, I'll add). Things have just settled down since, that's why there are fewer announcement. As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1]. Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019…

> As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1]

That's more an indication of scarcity than anything else. FORTRAN and COBOL programmers are also pretty well compensated.

Also, good luck getting any of these jobs.

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by agumonkey »

snapey wrote: post #14
dominotw wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

It hasn't fallen. The Clojure community has been growing steadily and continues to grow (it's a great community, I'll add). Things have just settled down since, that's why there are fewer announcement. As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1]. Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019…

It's not the same though, few years ago, every conf was a ~revelation. That said real professional growth is actually even better.

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by StreamBright »

dustingetz wrote: post #21
snapey wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hasn't fallen. The Clojure community has been growing steadily and continues to grow (it's a great community, I'll add). Things have just settled down since, that's why there are fewer announcement. As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1]. Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019…

John deGoes said "Clojure developers ... consciously stay inside the Clojure community because they love the language and ecosystem" and I think that's pretty interesting – Clojure has like this event horizon where if you cross it, you become so attached to it that you never leave. It's like a little black hole that is already self-sustaining – it can only grow, it will never die, and it can happily wait for opportun…

It is becoming Kotlin/Bigdata fairly quickly.
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