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Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by TickMark »

paxdoxemus wrote: post #10
TickMark wrote: post #8

I thought I wouldn't live to see the day for Clojure related link to be the top link on HN. I had to reload 5 times. Clojure's cool, I am glad I got to work with it professionally. I did go back to Javascript, but it made me a better developer. It strikes a nice balance between being a pure functional language and being practical.

Was going back to JavaScript your choice or an external factor such as job-related reasons? As someone starting out with Clojure and ClojureScript I'd be interested to hear about your experience.

External factors. Clojure didn't offer a great variety of jobs, especially remote. There was a decent number of jobs for onsite positions, but that's the trade I wasn't willing to make.

The language itself is great. The ecosystem is fine, you can find most libraries and if you can't you can at time use the JAVA versions. This was at times a pain because Java client libraries for certain services were out of date.

Solving real-life business problems was tricky but ultimately fun and satisfying. As the resulting code is usually very elegant and succinct.

I really loved the interactive programming aspect of it. It was really easy to go from a repl experiment to the actual implementation.

Re: Elements of Clojure

#12

Post by dominotw »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #9
TickMark wrote: post #8

I thought I wouldn't live to see the day for Clojure related link to be the top link on HN. I had to reload 5 times. Clojure's cool, I am glad I got to work with it professionally. I did go back to Javascript, but it made me a better developer. It strikes a nice balance between being a pure functional language and being practical.

5-8 years ago, Clojure was constantly on HN! Then it fell out of HN attention.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing.

Looks like everyone just went back to java.

Re: Elements of Clojure

#13

Post by ballpark »

dominotw wrote: post #12
hombre_fatal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5-8 years ago, Clojure was constantly on HN! Then it fell out of HN attention.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

Oh wow... not a chance

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by snapey »

dominotw wrote: post #12
hombre_fatal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5-8 years ago, Clojure was constantly on HN! Then it fell out of HN attention.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

It hasn't fallen. The Clojure community has been growing steadily and continues to grow (it's a great community, I'll add). Things have just settled down since, that's why there are fewer announcement.

As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1].

Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java.

[1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#technology-_-...

Re: Elements of Clojure

#15

Post by Scarbutt »

dominotw wrote: post #12
hombre_fatal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5-8 years ago, Clojure was constantly on HN! Then it fell out of HN attention.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

Looks like everyone just went back to java.

From my surroundings more to JS/TS/Python/Kotlin, obviously big communities have a network effect for pragmatic reasons.

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by Scarbutt »

snapey wrote: post #14
dominotw wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

It hasn't fallen. The Clojure community has been growing steadily and continues to grow (it's a great community, I'll add). Things have just settled down since, that's why there are fewer announcement. As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1]. Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019…

As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1].

Not to sound snarky, but that could be interpreted as old clojure projects can't find Clojure programmers.

Re: Elements of Clojure

#17

Post by forgotmylastacc »

TickMark wrote: post #11
paxdoxemus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was going back to JavaScript your choice or an external factor such as job-related reasons? As someone starting out with Clojure and ClojureScript I'd be interested to hear about your experience.

External factors. Clojure didn't offer a great variety of jobs, especially remote. There was a decent number of jobs for onsite positions, but that's the trade I wasn't willing to make. The language itself is great. The ecosystem is fine, you can find most libraries and if you can't you can at time use the JAVA versions. This was at times a pain because Java client libraries for certain services were out of date. Sol…

I work here: https://pitch.com/about#hiring

We are looking for ClojureScript/Clojure developers. And we support remote working.

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by dominotw »

snapey wrote: post #14
dominotw wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes not sure what happened to clojure. The rise and fall of clojure is really intriguing. Looks like everyone just went back to java.

It hasn't fallen. The Clojure community has been growing steadily and continues to grow (it's a great community, I'll add). Things have just settled down since, that's why there are fewer announcement. As an aside, the 2019 SO survey shows Clojure programmers are the best paid [1]. Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019…

> Most Clojure programmers I know (myself included) would not choose to go back to Java.

Thats true. I write clojure for living too.

But choice of programming languages in enterprises is not made by programmers.

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by loevborg »

forgotmylastacc wrote: post #17
TickMark wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

External factors. Clojure didn't offer a great variety of jobs, especially remote. There was a decent number of jobs for onsite positions, but that's the trade I wasn't willing to make. The language itself is great. The ecosystem is fine, you can find most libraries and if you can't you can at time use the JAVA versions. This was at times a pain because Java client libraries for certain services were out of date. Sol…

I work here: https://pitch.com/about#hiring We are looking for ClojureScript/Clojure developers. And we support remote working.

Another Pitcher here. We're betting big on Clojure(Script) and are hiring! If you're curious, feel free to reach out (my email address is in my profile).

Re: Elements of Clojure

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Post by TickMark »

forgotmylastacc wrote: post #17
TickMark wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

External factors. Clojure didn't offer a great variety of jobs, especially remote. There was a decent number of jobs for onsite positions, but that's the trade I wasn't willing to make. The language itself is great. The ecosystem is fine, you can find most libraries and if you can't you can at time use the JAVA versions. This was at times a pain because Java client libraries for certain services were out of date. Sol…

I work here: https://pitch.com/about#hiring We are looking for ClojureScript/Clojure developers. And we support remote working.

This would be great, if I weren't starting a new contract on Monday. :)

I mean this is still great for someone else. I am not surprised you are Berlin-based, I was at EuroClojure in 2017 in Berlin and was pleasantly surprised by how many Clojure companies existed there, most didn't offer remote work though.

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