Stuxnet: forcing Israel haters everywhere to come sulking out of the woodwork.
Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
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Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
So really?! Holocaust? You really want to get into this? holocaust happened or not is one thing, Murdering innocent Palestinians and kicking them out of their country, and supporting this is another. who has a religious paramilitary force that murders their own civilians? I don't know, but I know how kills Iranians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 And who supported Iraq in the war against Iran. who k…
> So really?! Holocaust? You really want to get into this? holocaust happened or not is one thing, Are you trying to suggest that you're a holocaust denier too?
I'm not. Actually I have little information about holocaust, how it happened, when happened, where happened etc.
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#43I haven't decided yet how to feel about Stuxnet. On one hand, good guys don't release viruses into the wild, period . On the other hand, only good has come from this. Iran doesn't get nukes until later and industry figures out that they need to lock down their machine controllers, without any real damage.
good guys don't release viruses into the wild, period. Didn't one of the guys from Y Combinator once release a virus into the wild?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_worm
It was an accident, though.
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#44I probably shouldn't be surprised by willful ignorance anymore, but it amazes me that everybody in the article can celebrate this achievement and at the same time admit that it's just "pushing back the clock." Israel's still going to get hit by a nuclear weapon some time, because the technology to build one is just going to keep getting cheaper and more accessible.
You think it's inevitable that Israel gets nuked? I find that very unlikely, especially since the attacking nation would definitely be destroyed as well. Iran doesn't want nukes so that they can destroy Israel. They wants nukes, because obtaining them immediately makes them powerful on the world stage. (and I say that as someone who really doesn't want to see them get nukes too because they're a crazy religious theoc…
"You think it's inevitable that Israel gets nuked? I find that very unlikely, especially since the attacking nation would definitely be destroyed as well."
The biggest fear isn't that Iran attacks Israel. The biggest fear is that they'll make a few nuclear weapons, give them to terrorists that aren't officially affiliated with them, and let the terrorists nuke Israel.
In a case where there is a terrorist nuclear attack on Israel, that can't be directly tied to Iran, I'm not sure what Israel could do.
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#45This story would be more interesting if Microsoft and/or Siemens actually helped develop this malware.
Siemens did help them by giving the us access to their machines for "security" reasons.
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure what part of what I said is even debatable. Do you not think they believe God supports their mission to destroy Israel?
You are watching Fox too much.
Ahmadinejad (Iranian president):
“Is there a craft more beautiful... than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy?...”
"What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."
http://www.realite-eu.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=9dJBLL...
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
You think it's inevitable that Israel gets nuked? I find that very unlikely, especially since the attacking nation would definitely be destroyed as well. Iran doesn't want nukes so that they can destroy Israel. They wants nukes, because obtaining them immediately makes them powerful on the world stage. (and I say that as someone who really doesn't want to see them get nukes too because they're a crazy religious theoc…
Think for one minute. Who is the craziest nation in this regard? Who has used nukes twice to murder people. US of course.
Never remind Americans that they deliberately slaughtered over 100,000 civilians with nuclear weapons - they don't like it.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So really?! Holocaust? You really want to get into this? holocaust happened or not is one thing, Are you trying to suggest that you're a holocaust denier too?
I'm not. Actually I have little information about holocaust, how it happened, when happened, where happened etc.
Then you need to stay as quiet as you possibly can until you do.
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are watching Fox too much.
Ahmadinejad (Iranian president): “Is there a craft more beautiful... than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy?...” "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow." http://www.realite-eu.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=9dJBLL...
So what you are saying is that US leaders believe that they are on a holy mission to eradicate Evil from the world?
And that some opposition leaders believe that shooting a selected list of politicians who they disagree with is a good thing for US democracy?
So if western politicians really mean what they say then I believe that same goes for Iranian politicians.
Nigga please!
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#50I haven't decided yet how to feel about Stuxnet. On one hand, good guys don't release viruses into the wild, period . On the other hand, only good has come from this. Iran doesn't get nukes until later and industry figures out that they need to lock down their machine controllers, without any real damage.
Iran doesn't get nukes until later So, we're not going to change the end-game, we're just going to piss of Iran....and you think that's good? Consider things from the Iranian's perspective. Back in the day, they were establishing a legitimate democratically elected government. The US overthrew that government and pushed a brutal dictator into power, who tortured and murdered many Iranians. From their perspective, the…
Trying to prevent Iran getting the bomb will indeed 'piss them off'. However, as they are already an extremely 'pissed off' theocracy, it is still a sensible thing to do.
Looking at things from the perspective of crazed theocrats is undoubtedly useful, but you shouldn't make the mistake of going the extra step and empathising to such an extent that you start believing that their position should be respected.
This second point seems to be a problem with a lot of people - by all means "put yourself in their shoes, man!" but after doing so, don't end up 'role playing' as them when deciding what is the right thing to do.