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What ever else you think of this piece, it's worthwhile to know what The New Criterion is and what it represents. Though I suppose "Avidly Pro-Trump Literary Journal" is a concept that easily clears HN's bar for "intellectually interesting".

When you see a stinking heap on the road you don’t have to poke around in it to see what it is. Your nose tells you it’s s*, and you give it a wide berth.

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What ever else you think of this piece, it's worthwhile to know what The New Criterion is and what it represents. Though I suppose "Avidly Pro-Trump Literary Journal" is a concept that easily clears HN's bar for "intellectually interesting".

I tweaked to it not being apolitical with the casual mention of Saul Alinsky, who is only a figure of any note in American right-wing circles (as a boogeyman).

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Attention conservation notice: Lengthy somewhat tendentious history of Soviet Leninism, followed by an assertion that the confusing twists of cancel culture is down to the woke masses being in thrall to a Hiddden Lenin, and a rapid exit.

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The fuck is this doing on the front page of HN?

No clue, except that it is.

Attempting to tar social justice movements as Leninist is sheer speculation. And maybe Leninist, so to speak.

But damn, just ignore that part. It's always good to be reminded of just how insanely ruthless Lenin was. Also, recall that the Germans paid Lenin to destabilize Russia, and keep it out of WWI. So maybe the whole thing was basically a put-on.

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Attention conservation notice: Lengthy somewhat tendentious history of Soviet Leninism, followed by an assertion that the confusing twists of cancel culture is down to the woke masses being in thrall to a Hiddden Lenin, and a rapid exit.

Correct. The author would be screaming "cultural marxism"[1] if that anti-semitic conspiracy theory wasn't already discredited.

The facts of this piece are pretty specious here as well. Boris Chicherin, for example, died in 1904, well before Lenin came to power.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marx...

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What ever else you think of this piece, it's worthwhile to know what The New Criterion is and what it represents. Though I suppose "Avidly Pro-Trump Literary Journal" is a concept that easily clears HN's bar for "intellectually interesting".

Thanks for the insight. I found this article discussing New Criterion which I found interesting. https://thebaffler.com/latest/decline-of-the-new-criterion-g... Regarding the article, from what I know about Lenin, it’s spot on, and if you ever talk to anyone who survived his dekulakization [1] you’ll understand the violent nature of Leninism. But I’m not a fan of a propaganda outfit that likes to hide behind the occa…

We're right in the West to reject Leninist ideas, but it's important to understand the historical context in which Leninism gained traction.

Russia was a backwards pre-capitalist third world monarchy with vast economic inequality under one of the richest men in all of history, Nicholas Romanov II. He rejected attempt after attempt to reform his monarchy into a democratic constitutional monarchy, preferring to cling onto absolute power and repeatedly losing wars. The story of the Russian revolution is one of a transition from authoritarian rule to authoritarian rule.

Initially the revolution was widely praised by genuine revolutionaries, such as Kropotkin, Emma Goldman, & Rosa Luxemburg. The country was ruled democratically by a system of workers' councils (soviets), and workers were encouraged to form committees to self manage the work place democratically.

Within the year, however, the Soviets were dissolved and commissars were sent to the factories to take the place of the boss', effectively ending workers' self management. This was widely condemned by mainstream Marxists, most notably Rosa Luxembourg, who sent a historic admonitory letter to Lenin. This is when the idea of "Marxism-Leninism" as opposed to simple "Marxism" began to distinguish itself.

What Leninism has become now is a sort of paranoid ideology about "holding onto the revolution" against "the forces of reaction." They point to examples of successful workers' self management e.g. The Paris Commune, Anarchist Catalonia (read "Homage to Catalonia" by George Orwell), and claim that these revolutions were crushed because of a lack of "party discipline" and organization.

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> the Soviet Constitution of 1936 guaranteed more rights than any other state in the world. I recall a Soviet citizen telling me that people in the USSR had absolute freedom of speech—so long as they did not lie Actually I heard it as “The people of the USSR had complete and absolute freedom of speech... but only once”. Lie or not, if the state didn’t like it, you ended up in a concentration camp.

> The people of the USSR had complete and absolute freedom of speech... but only once

The version I like is “Soviet citizens have the freedom of speech, but American citizens also have freedom after speech”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fascism is a far-right ideal and not a far-left one. That myth underlies much of the misunderstanding in contemporary political discourse.

I’m not sure how you justify this? If one is going to define politics along a spectrum like left to right, fascism is going to be grouped with other political systems that tend toward nationalism and nativist policies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

I think left and right have no meaning in a one-party totalitarian state
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