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Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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This sounds way too good to be true. Specially considering the stories from other people here, which include a lot more technical detail. Also the other users are not new accounts with just one comment (unlike the user above).

I definitely understand the disbelief, but this is the truth. I started visiting hacker news to try to familiarize myself with the tech world, learn new jargon, blah blah blah, and have always just lurked. I think so highly of Gatsby that I finally created an account just to say so. Like I said, I come from a graphic design background. Mostly freelancing and working for different organizations that just needed an in…

500 -> 15 dollars a month. So not really 0.

I'd also state, that is, for now. These services will have to make money at some point.

Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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Reading through the comments I get the impression there is a mis-understanding of what gatsby is. It might be my misunderstanding but ...

"Static Site generator" seems to be the confusion. If I'm reading correctly gatsby is more a replacement for webpack than for jekyll or ghost. You use it as scaffolding to help build your front end. The docs show it compiling react, jsx, using various plugins like emotion etc. It all looks like it's supposed to be a better webpack.

Am I wrong?

Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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Did you mean "overly-complicated" as in for people who don't work in the industry and just speculate on trends?

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"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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I'm one of the use cases that Sam mentions - B2C website. Replatforming our site with Gatsby, Netlify (hosting and more) and Contentful (headless CMS) has saved us hundreds of dollars a month in hosting - our site which receives 20,000 - 30,000 visitors a month now costs $0 to host. Additionally it is radically faster and more secure than it previously was. Being able to use React as needed has enabled us to manage s…

It's tough to take this too seriously since it seems you created this name just to make this comment. What approaches did you try before 'owing your career to gatsby'?

Please follow the site guidelines, which ask you to Assume good faith: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Consider that the downside of your being wrong is that you drive a newcomer away from this community. That's surely not what you want, and definitely the opposite of what this place is for.

Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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It's tough to take this too seriously since it seems you created this name just to make this comment. What approaches did you try before 'owing your career to gatsby'?

check out my reply above - the owing my career to gatsby is very much about my specific story - a story that is probably very different from most hackernews contributors but maybe some aspects of it are more common for the lurkers here, of which I am one. I would honestly be interested to know how many self taught people making things work building basic sites for unglamorous corners of the internet cruise this site.…

I run Hacker News. We're not interested in sophisticated; we're here for curiosity. If have that, which I'm sure you do, then you're welcome here, so please don't let a single comment make you feel otherwise.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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I would not recommend to use Gatsby in a project if it requires a frontend with complexity beyond static-scrollable content.

Some problems that I found after some months of integrating it with an existing CMS:

* Development complexity: depending if Gatsby is run on development or production mode, React's `render` methods are called in the browser or inside NodeJS. Having this code executed in a Node process is expected because Gatsby is a static site generator, but this big split between the environment of development and production builds, paired with a growing codebase that keeps evolving, catches new developers on our team with multiple and surprising bugs.

* Debug complexity: JSX code is hard to debug, because the code that is really executed is generated at runtime, so it is not possible for example, to put a breakpoint in a JSX file from your text editor and start a build with Node running in debug mode.

* Runtime requirements: as far as I remember, executing `gatsby build` on my development machine uses ~3.4 GiB of private RAM for the main node process, and it takes around 5 minutes if the local cache is cleared (it ends in around a minute with cache). Its important to remember this when choosing in which server the build runs.

* Integration: Gatsby does not provide out of the box integration with CMS for content authoring (like for example, page drafts).

Now to be honest, the global idea seems good (static websites built with React), but I would wait a few more years until it becomes more mature to use it again for any future project.

Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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Reading through the comments I get the impression there is a mis-understanding of what gatsby is. It might be my misunderstanding but ... "Static Site generator" seems to be the confusion. If I'm reading correctly gatsby is more a replacement for webpack than for jekyll or ghost. You use it as scaffolding to help build your front end. The docs show it compiling react, jsx, using various plugins like emotion etc. It a…

I think you might be wrong in your understanding. Webpack is a bundler, which Gatsby uses.

You can use Gatsby as a replacement for Jekyll or Ghost, they do the same thing, i.e. output static HTML. However Gatsby uses React and GraphQL to achieve that result. While Jekyll uses markdown files for example.

Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely understand the disbelief, but this is the truth. I started visiting hacker news to try to familiarize myself with the tech world, learn new jargon, blah blah blah, and have always just lurked. I think so highly of Gatsby that I finally created an account just to say so. Like I said, I come from a graphic design background. Mostly freelancing and working for different organizations that just needed an in…

500 -> 15 dollars a month. So not really 0. I'd also state, that is, for now . These services will have to make money at some point.

You're absolutely right, not really 0.

To be fair: There are lots of options for a headless cms - I'm extremely confident that I could easily move my data to another free or super cheap service - even back to a free wordpress site if need be (to use as headless cms).

Also lots of extremely cheap options for free or very cheap hosting of static sites. That would also be an incredibly easy move to make.

Not trying to fanboy Not saying gatsby is right for every use case and every developer Am saying that it makes a lot of sense for my specific use case and probably for a lot of this agency and old-school-business-website style work. I suspect it is a very large market that provides decent livelihoods for many millenials that skated, snowboarded, surfed, or played in bands as young adults (kind of serious)

I just wanted to share that as an personal experience that people can weigh against other viewpoints.

Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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Reading through the comments I get the impression there is a mis-understanding of what gatsby is. It might be my misunderstanding but ... "Static Site generator" seems to be the confusion. If I'm reading correctly gatsby is more a replacement for webpack than for jekyll or ghost. You use it as scaffolding to help build your front end. The docs show it compiling react, jsx, using various plugins like emotion etc. It a…

I think "static site generator" is a more apt description than "webpack replacement". The React code in Gatsby is SSR'ed only (in production mode, anyways) making writing idiomatic dynamic client-side React code very awkward.

Also, Gatsby uses Webpack[1] and it doesn't expose compilation options in any meaningful way like webpack itself does (and it doesn't have a plug-and-play philosophy like Parcel either). I'm not a huge fan of webpack config API personally, but I certainly would never consider using Gatsby as an alternative generic purpose bundler!

[1] https://github.com/gatsbyjs/gatsby/blob/561d33e2e491d3971cb2...

Re: Gatsby raises $15M Series A for its modern web development platform

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I don't really like Gatsby's product, but I've got to admit that their business strategy makes a lot of sense. It's a pretty good three-step approach: 1. Convince the WordPress/enterprise crowd to switch over, both by touting the genuine benefits of static sites (security, scalability, TTFB performance, etc.) and by riding the Cool Kid Front-End Stack hype train. 2. Lock them in with an overly-complicated framework a…

Did you mean "overly-complicated" as in for people who don't work in the industry and just speculate on trends?

Not OP but the mess that is node and its ecosystem is indeed overly-complicated
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