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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by modoc »

ubermonkey wrote: post #112
oflannabhra wrote: post #23

Is there a specific reason why Tesla refuses to integrate CarPlay or Android Auto?

It's really baffling. The CarPlay experience in our Volkswagen is so good I cannot imagine ever going back to an automaker's in-house system. Even the ones in the luxury cars I've had -- BMW, Mercedes -- have been absolute crap compared to CarPlay. I don't even care that it requires USB.

I also LOVE CarPlay, however I'm baffled as to why more manufacturers don't equip the wireless CarPlay option. I have it in my daily driver, and it's so nice to be able to leave my phone in my pocket, or toss it on the wireless charging mat, and still have CarPlay work perfectly. But my brand new truck only has the wired option:(

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by ratsbane »

notJim wrote: post #151
ratsbane wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out RV connections at campgrounds, if you haven't already. They're not as fast as Superchargers, but overnight you can easily go from empty to full. Looking at Plugshare.com, I see a bunch of level 2 chargers to the north-northwest of Mt. Rainier.

I strongly prefer to camp in the NF right outside the park or in the park itself, so that rules out the RV campgrounds. I think the L2 stuff you're seeing is in the Seattle metro, there's nothing near Rainier. I'm coming from Portland, so it'd be way out of my way to go to Seattle.

Hmm, now I'm thinking about how I would plan a trip like that... Google Maps shows 139 miles from Portland to Mt. Rainier. My Model 3 (long-range, RWD) has about 306 miles range at the moment (after 42,000 miles) so I could almost go there and back without charging, but altitude changes and low temperatures will crimp the range a bit.

Are you familiar with Alexander's Lodge? (https://alexanderslodge.com/) It looks like they have a couple of Tesla Destination Chargers, which typically work at around 40mph, (40 miles of range for each hour of charge) so it would work to drive there, charge for an hour or two, and have enough range to comfortably drive back to Portland in a day or two.

Of course, that doesn't mean the Model 3 is right for you in every way, but it's interesting to think through scenarios like this.

(edit) https://www.plugshare.com/location/79838

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by binaryblitz »

Shivetya wrote: post #199
tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

I rented a model three for a week long trip, and while I understand some of your frustrations, a lot of them are not the norm from my experience.

Both speed limit sign detection, and self driving on the freeway worked flawlessly for me.

I guess YMMV.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by leesec »

Shivetya wrote: post #199
tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

Also owner of a TM3.

Best car I've ever owned by a lot.

People sure do get mad about Blutooth.

Also, at least they're able to have a 'software direction'. Not aware of any other manufacturer who provides anywhere near this level of OTA upgrades.

And obviously the autopilot team is a different one than the people installing games. Chill.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by zepearl »

prongletown wrote: post #154
zepearl wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be related to what mentioned here (Volkswagen explaining why it's developing its own SW): https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/09/volkswagen-audi-porsche... But really be careful how much Android you're talking about. There are some brands really using Google's automotive services; this is not our strategy. When you do this, you get a great package of function and services, no doubt. But you also have to open up a…

I think you may be confusing Android Auto with Android for Cars. The former is the mobile app and headunit-only integration (audio controls) via video stream, which requires minimal integration with the vehicle. The other is Android repurposed for headunits, with full car integration, such as Volvo's integration. Car manufacturers of luxury cars shy away from Android Auto partially because they believe it turns one o…

Thx for the definitions - useful/interesting (but I did not doublecheck them, hehe) :)

> which requires minimal integration with the vehicle

My guess: maybe VW is scared of a potential "which CURRENTLY requires minimal integration with the vehicle" (I imagine that the push for more and more integration will increase in the future) and therefore decided to give it a try now and not to become passively dependent on Google.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by binaryblitz »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #53
dmode wrote: post #51

This is why I am a Tesla fanboy (although somewhat begrudgingly due to Elon's recent antics). They have made car ownership such a joyous experience. I am eagerly waiting to download this and go to town

Is it a joyous experience when you have to wait 1 month+ for basic replacement parts to arrive? How about when your consumer grade touch panel dies from heat and vibration?

Someone is grumpy that either A: they can't afford a Telsa, or B: their car is slower than a cheaper Tesla.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

Shivetya wrote: post #199
tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

Never drove the car. But I must say it's funny bordering on tragicomic when they mention use cases for the Summon as e.g. "when dealing with a fussy child", then go on to say in the very next sentence

"Those using Smart Summon must remain responsible for the car and monitor it and its surroundings at all times."

Sure, when I'm dealing with a fussy kid in a parking lot, I can monitor the car over there and its surroundings at all times. That's what I usually do, forget about watching the kid.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by RandallBrown »

kelnos wrote: post #86
dfsegoat wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"keep going" button = Dead mans switch [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_switch

I could easily imagine a failure mode where the UI stops responding to input (that is, doesn't pass the "touch end" event to the app) and the app continues to send the "keep going" signal to the car.

That could definitely happen, but it would have to happen at the same time the car's normal collision avoidance systems fail. Certainly possible to happen, but probably pretty unlikely.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by Dibes »

binaryblitz wrote: post #216
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a joyous experience when you have to wait 1 month+ for basic replacement parts to arrive? How about when your consumer grade touch panel dies from heat and vibration?

Someone is grumpy that either A: they can't afford a Telsa, or B: their car is slower than a cheaper Tesla.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Part availability is a valid complaint about tesla. This seems to just be a blatant attack on the poster for no reason.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by andrewstuart2 »

chrisstanchak wrote: post #139
lazyjones wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine how much bandwidth they'd save if Superchargers with WiFi offered the latest software version cached locally at full WiFi speed to the cars...

CDN costs must be negligible compared to the cost of managing that.

Pretty sure the infrastructure for what they already have would dwarf the costs of adding WAPs and adding some caching software to whatever computers they're almost certainly already managing at the superchargers.
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