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Whoever putting children on the stage. Do you think that a 16years old gets up one day and says I am going to go the UN! Think again.
No. She gets up one day with an opinion she's felt strongly about and goes alone with a hand made sign to sit outside her government's office. Next day others joined. Then it kept escalating. Kids have strong opinions. Teenagers can have especially strong opinions. Of course it has to be a conspiracy with someone behind the scenes pulling strings.
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It’s a question of agency. Young children rarely get the feeling that anything they do has inherent value. Something as simple as gathering twigs for a campfire is unusual specifically because it’s helpful. Activism at that age is a mix of learning experience and actually useful. So, IMO it can be a positive activity in the right context.
But there's nothing an 8 year old can do to be helpful for climate change. At 8 you don't even really understand what the climate is or how it's different from weather, let alone what CO2 or methane are. This appears to just be a continuation of the disturbing trend of adults trying to make themselves feel virtuous by speaking through their children.
The fear should be focused on the message, and could turn into: What are you personally doing to combat climate change? What will you say you did when you look back in 2050.
*There is an exception for those who seek to undermine the system. The Nazis, the people who send porn to 13 year olds, the columnists who continuously deny climate change is real.
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No. She gets up one day with an opinion she's felt strongly about and goes alone with a hand made sign to sit outside her government's office. Next day others joined. Then it kept escalating. Kids have strong opinions. Teenagers can have especially strong opinions. Of course it has to be a conspiracy with someone behind the scenes pulling strings.
Or more specifically a very well funded organized movement made her their figurehead after she was “discovered”. Same way Disney discovers their talent
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It's amazing to me this is actually a debate. The US Constitution forbids people under 25 from being in Congress because children are not expected to have reasonable political opinions. They're children! They've never paid tax, worked or truly made their own decisions or experienced the consequences. In this case, do you think these children are being presented with any alternate views at all? Are any of them being p…
Have you considered the possibility that these kids are actually just passionate about it? And what are these "alternate views" regarding climate change you mention? There is the truth and there is misinformation perpetuated by the oil/natural gas/plastic/etc companies and those getting paid by them. Think about it. When you're a kid, you're not yet jaded by the harsh realities of the world. That corporations drive e…
Yes, but so what? 8 year olds are passionate about eating endless amounts of ice cream. Doesn't mean that passion should be acted on.
There is the truth and there is misinformation perpetuated by the oil/natural gas/plastic/etc companies
Plastic companies? That's a new one! I don't think I've heard Big Plastic be described as staffed by liars before.
You sound like you've never really listened to climate change skeptics. Some of them make valid points, worrying points about media exaggeration of genuine science, actual scientific malpractice and the frequency of failed predictions in the past. You should try it. It may prove mind expanding.
But do you really want to immerse yourself in ambiguity? Or do you want to see the world as a titanic struggle between good and evil? Children very much want the latter. Disney movies always depict a purely good hero/purely evil villain dichotomy because these are stories designed for children who can't/won't handle anything complex, and additionally in order to teach them a moral code.
When I see the rhetoric around climate science, it often reminds me of Disney movies. There's Good People like the speaker and then a dark, shadowy conspiracy of Evil People whose inexplicably malign and self-destructive motives are never explained ... and who certainly aren't allowed to explain themselves!
After all, are you the devil you decry?
The difference is, I have to go to work and focus on providing for my family.
Indeed. Or put a bit more harshly, "why is nobody doing anything" has a simple answer: because people like you have chosen to enjoy the benefits the world has to offer in its current form, benefits like having a family and a job that's based further than walking distance.
Children have never had to provide for anyone. How can they understand this decision, the tradeoffs that go into it? Why should any adults care what they think about the big issues of the day when they've spent their entire lives in carefully controlled environments, one in which to disagree with the opinions of "experts" (teachers) yields swift and immediate punishment? They can't even start to think for themselves until they're outside that environment, which for a few could take a couple more decades.
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What rhetoric? And of course, by the time they are adults it will be far too late to act.
the rhetoric that "inaction is violating children's rights". It's a slippery slope: What about financial debt?
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Anyone who's going to be affected is qualified to express their opinion, it seems to me, and children are going to be affected by climate change long after the rest of us are gone.
Let me put it a different way - the kids campaigning for climate action are not convincing anyone who wasn't already on board. It's literally just a show that's riling up the people who are already supporters. It's harmful to the kids and not accomplishing much else.
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#147>mom of 8-year-old climate activist Havana Chapman-Edwards Is it just me, or is there something disturbing about an 8 year old activist for anything? I cannot see anything good coming from turning young children into activists. Kids that age need love and stability, not the fear that the world is going to end unless they do something.
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#148Using children as political tools is disgusting. It's blatantly manipulative. Throwing them into the cess-pool of public politics and then acting as if you're shocked they're in a cess-pool, and using that shock to try to score political points, is one of the more reprehensible tactics in the modern play book.
You're a real piece of shit.
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#149Sad to see. Although, honestly, the parents shouldn't have allowed their kids to put themselves in these 'activist' positions to begin with. What did they expect? And also, a 16 year old girl speaking at the UN? Is that a joke? I fully support protecting the environment but this is child exploitation for political purposes. These movements should be led by scientists, not children. Is it any wonder people are still s…
> Although, honestly, the parents shouldn't have allowed their kids to put themselves in these 'activist' positions to begin with. Oh, fuck you. Greta is taking better care of your kid than you are. Ppl ignored the adults. This is what you get.
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Is the solution to suppress their voices, rather than protect them from trolls and suppress the voices of the trolls?
No just dont amplify them so incredibly much. They are children in the end, they deserve protection Trolling is a fundamental right , not being trolled is not
This is hilariously wrong in most jurisdictions, probably including the one you’re thinking of.
You may be parseing down ‘trolling’ to ‘behaving argumentatively on the internets’ but this is not the substance of what attacks are being brought against these young women, who are also minors.
Feel free to double down on “death threats aren’t trolling” and so on, if you’ve missed the point. UDHR article 12 for further reading.