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Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by dragonwriter »

StreamBright wrote: post #59
pistoriusp wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are "they" here?

Whoever putting children on the stage. Do you think that a 16years old gets up one day and says I am going to go the UN! Think again.

No, going to the UN is there outcome of a movement that started out as a one-person protest at a national parliameny, something that's a lot more plausible for a teen.

Still, not common, but there are enough teens in the world that there are substantial absolute numbers that are deep into the tails of any distribution. Not everyone is average.

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Post by claudeganon »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #11

>mom of 8-year-old climate activist Havana Chapman-Edwards Is it just me, or is there something disturbing about an 8 year old activist for anything? I cannot see anything good coming from turning young children into activists. Kids that age need love and stability, not the fear that the world is going to end unless they do something.

> Kids that age need love and stability, not the fear that the world is going to end unless they do something

Then we should be doing something, we should be building a world where they don’t have to live in credible fear of mass extinctions, food crises, escalating natural disasters, and state violence in response to them. That children aren’t being afforded that by our inaction and complacency, are forced into this role to defend their basic survival, is what is far more disturbing.

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Post by crazynick4 »

pistoriusp wrote: post #28
crazynick4 wrote: post #10

Sad to see. Although, honestly, the parents shouldn't have allowed their kids to put themselves in these 'activist' positions to begin with. What did they expect? And also, a 16 year old girl speaking at the UN? Is that a joke? I fully support protecting the environment but this is child exploitation for political purposes. These movements should be led by scientists, not children. Is it any wonder people are still s…

That's the whole idea. Adults, and politicians, are not doing what we should be doing. The "kids" will inherit our poor decisions so they're making a stand.

And the 'whole idea' amounts to child abuse. A kid her age is not prepared to be a public figure and all the pressures that come with it. She shouldn't be up there period. And everyone who says that 'the adults aren't doing anything so the kids have to', why aren't the adults who use this argument doing something then?

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Post by Porthos9K »

thrower123 wrote: post #61

It would be slightly less hypocritical if some of the same people that are wringing their hands about people being mean to Greta Thunberg weren't egging on awfulness against the Covington kids. I'm not sympathetic to those who are moralizing about trolling this child they like, when they just put down the torches and pitchforks they had out for a different child they don't like.

Ms. Thunberg is actually doing something useful: she's challenging those in power to stop being content to profit from the status quo, get off their over-privileged asses, and clean up after themselves instead of leaving the mess for her generation to deal with.

We're lucky kids her age are still talking, and haven't decided that the situation is sufficiently dire to justify the use of violence.

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Post by jakobegger »

crazynick4 wrote: post #10

Sad to see. Although, honestly, the parents shouldn't have allowed their kids to put themselves in these 'activist' positions to begin with. What did they expect? And also, a 16 year old girl speaking at the UN? Is that a joke? I fully support protecting the environment but this is child exploitation for political purposes. These movements should be led by scientists, not children. Is it any wonder people are still s…

> And also, a 16 year old girl speaking at the UN? Is that a joke?

The real joke are the adult idiots who'd rather destroy our planet than listen to someone speaking uncomfortable truths.

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

claudeganon wrote: post #42
crazynick4 wrote: post #10

Sad to see. Although, honestly, the parents shouldn't have allowed their kids to put themselves in these 'activist' positions to begin with. What did they expect? And also, a 16 year old girl speaking at the UN? Is that a joke? I fully support protecting the environment but this is child exploitation for political purposes. These movements should be led by scientists, not children. Is it any wonder people are still s…

In a world where most “adults” seem self-serving, complacent, or corrupt, I think we should be thankful that our young people are unwilling to embrace this nihilistic state of affairs and demand change. And they’re among the few that are listening to the scientists instead of their narrow self-interest.

I'm reminded of this rather dark few lines from Naked Lunch:

“In lifeproof houses they hover over the young, sop up a little of what they shut out. Only the young bring anything in, and they are not young very long.”

― William S. Burroughs

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #11

>mom of 8-year-old climate activist Havana Chapman-Edwards Is it just me, or is there something disturbing about an 8 year old activist for anything? I cannot see anything good coming from turning young children into activists. Kids that age need love and stability, not the fear that the world is going to end unless they do something.

Kids are often involved by schools with nature projects, beach cleanups, litter, recycling, learning about bugs and insects etc. They might even get a little exposure to media such as radio, TV, David Attenborough, social media and such.

They are forming their own opinions. Sometimes strongly held. They are forming their own opinions on how well the world is not being managed environmentally, climatically etc. It's kinda hard to miss.

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Post by daenz »

yogthos wrote: post #66
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #11

>mom of 8-year-old climate activist Havana Chapman-Edwards Is it just me, or is there something disturbing about an 8 year old activist for anything? I cannot see anything good coming from turning young children into activists. Kids that age need love and stability, not the fear that the world is going to end unless they do something.

So they should just sit there and wait to die is what you're saying?

Imagine telling that to your young child every day and then wondering why your child has anxiety disorders and social problems. Part of being a responsible parent is shielding your children from the horrors of the world, so that they can develop in a stable and sane environment.

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Post by buboard »

Porthos9K wrote: post #63
buboard wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No just dont amplify them so incredibly much. They are children in the end, they deserve protection Trolling is a fundamental right , not being trolled is not

> Trolling is a fundamental right , not being trolled is not Freedom of association is as fundamental a right as freedom of speech, and freedom of association means that nobody is entitled to an audience. If you email me, I have the right to block your emails, and indeed refuse all email from your domain. If you DM me on Twitter or Mastodon, I have the right to mute you, and indeed the right to refuse all DMs from no…

which of those is related to this case?
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