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Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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Re: Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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Post by paul7986 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #394
paul7986 wrote: post #389

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Ummm average to cute to hot women yes. Though those women who fall below that threshold or further are not having any fun or getting same amount of love. I have some female friends who just gave up yet all their long term relationships they've had happened via the offline world. Also Almost Every guy here is complaining about dating apps not working... I ask them how many women did you say nope to? Meaning we all are…

> ask them how many women did you say nope to? Meaning we all are too damn picky ..men and women equally. We're definitely not equally picky, not by a long shot. Online, women are far more pickier than men.[1] They can be picky as they're the bottleneck in the reproductive chain. [1] https://i.redd.it/ccjv5cjcevp21.jpg

Sure I agree in terms of woman thinking "I want attractive children," so if it's even mildly attractive woman she's going to have a lot to choose from and a lot to ignore.

But are we saying men don't care at all about looks nor want their children to be attractive/have it easier in life?

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Post by fortran77 »

_jal wrote: post #83
ravenstine wrote: post #73

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I see you're getting downvoted, which is funny because I've proposed the same idea on HN a few times and a lot of people thought it was a good idea. Maybe the weight thing isn't necessary with everything else in play, but otherwise I think this is something that should be tried. Yet nobody has bitten. Perhaps that means it's either not viable or of interest to investors.

Perhaps the concept of outsourcing the vetting of potential mates' physical characteristics strikes folks as disturbing.

Really!? You don't care if your potential mate is male or female, young or old?

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Post by tdb7893 »

Blackstone4 wrote: post #350
tdb7893 wrote: post #347

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I think to understand your argument I would need to understand how you think Bumble is harming men. In my experience people generally care much more about situations where there is harm in the discrimination (there are so many better targets for energy is a waste). As someone who cares a lot about gender issues Bumble is a symptom of the problem but not problematic itself, why should I care? Edit: you are talking abo…

I never said it is harming men. I just said that the rules are gender-based. What made you think that? I find it an interesting thought exercise to understand why society apply rules differently in certain situations. Context certainly plays an important role here and I feel like you made a good point around harm. EDIT I feel like sometimes this is a sensitive topic to discuss broadly within Western society. From my…

To me I've always run in liberal circles do it feels like your assumptions of the philosophy are off in my experience. I've met very few of those sorts of fundamentalists (literally only 2 ever), most people are more into dismantling the systematic forms of oppression and therefore prioritize things that actually harm people.

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Post by bobloblaw45 »

LeonM wrote: post #203

I've tried a number of dating websites in the past year, and all of them are like this. First and foremost: No matter how hard they try to hide it, the male/female balance on all straight dating sites is completely off. I'd say it's about 80% male. So most of them fill with fake accounts to get the balance backs. The matching algorithms don't really exist, they are extremely primitive and usually optimised for engage…

> Most men just give up after a while and start to spam generic pickup lines to just about every profile Exactly! I mean it doesn't make any sense not to. I'd bet most of the men that do this have spent a very long time making long thoughtful messages only to get absolutely nothing back. Every single time. And honestly getting something back like "Next time If you want to talk to a woman then say more than just 'hey'" once in awhile is far better than feel like you're trying to talk to people that don't actually exist.

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Post by treis »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #104
ddenisen wrote: post #100

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So I've had an interesting experience recently. Like you, I've used Tinder and other dating apps fairly unsuccessfully in the past (close to zero matches, those who match don't respond, yadda yadda). I live in the US (West Coast), but I'm originally from Russia, and I finally got to go back home (a major Russian city) this summer for a few weeks' vacation. On a suggestion of a longtime friend I've met with there, I'v…

AIUI, foreigners are generally promoted by the matching algorithms.

Plus someone from the US is attractive to women looking to immigrate.

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Post by mlthoughts2018 »

burneraccount12 wrote: post #344
tictok4 wrote: post #300

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>If you want to improve your dating prospects, get in shape. Anyone can get in shape, doesn't matter how rich or successful or handsome your face is. >Second, improve your social skills / join something. Yes to both of these. Dating or not these are vital in life.

This is one of the only non-misogynistic responses to my comment (IMHO). If you're healthy and have hobbies and socialize regularly finding a romantic partner is not only easier but also less important because you have a rich and fulfilling life.

> “This is one of the only non-misogynistic responses to my comment (IMHO).”

That says a lot about your attitude and pretty much nothing about the tone of other comments in the thread.

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Post by mlthoughts2018 »

burneraccount12 wrote: post #342
ninkendo wrote: post #307

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This is one of the most flamebait comments I’ve seen in this board, so I’ve flagged it. You’re putting words in a lot of people’s mouths and assuming a lot of things about large swaths of this forum (that we all have terrible social skills/are out of shape/etc) based on comments about the business practices of dating apps. You seemed to know this by making a throwaway account, but next time why not just not comment a…

> You’re putting words in a lot of people’s mouths Uh, I literally copied-and-pasted exact quotes from the thread. > that we all have terrible social skills/are out of shape/etc) Where did I say that? Everyone can be in better shape. And everyone can improve their social skills. Saying you could be healthier and have more hobbies does not mean you are not in shape and do not have hobbies, you're making a big leap in…

> “Uh, I literally copied-and-pasted exact quotes from the thread.”

Exactly, you just copy/pasted things totally out of context and then acted like they support your narrative when they totally don’t (even as isolated quotes, and certainly not if you go read the original context of each).

You’re deliberately trying to stir shit up by taking things out of context. The grown ups are trying to talk about the actual fraud allegations and data-backed understanding of gender differences in online dating behavior, and you’re just running around yelling “fire!” (“misogyny!”) in an utterly non-constructive way.

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Post by [deleted] »

derefr wrote: post #377
zapnuk wrote: post #219

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That's the idea behind bumble. AFAIK men and women rate each other similarly to Tinder (yes/no). However, when a match occurs, women have to send the first message. This doesn't solve the gender inbalance though. This problem is much more difficult to solve, and requires further homogenization (?) of the male and female gender role. This should be one of the more important challenges of our time. Lonelyness and sexua…

Given how most men just swipe right 100% of the time to find the women who swiped right on them, I’m surprised there isn’t a dating app that has just admitted to this and made the matching unilateral: men would be assumed to be okay with matching any woman, whereas women would have to swipe right on a dude to “match.” Then either party could contact. It’s sort of like Bumble’s attitude, just moved one step forward in…

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Post by cameronbrown »

jorvi wrote: post #215
cameronbrown wrote: post #54

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> First, there's a clear (and artificial) skewing of supply-demand curves. What makes it artificial? Also, there's strong evidence that roughly twice as many women have reproduced than men across human history [0], so if we're reducing it to a number game women have always had the ability to be more picky than guys. What's different today is Tinder/OLD let's them access a much larger area, whereas in the past they wo…

> So to sum up my point, I'm struggling to see a solution here. Human nature can't be rewritten, no matter how hard we try. You could write an algorithm that subtly punishes women for being too picky and at the same time punishes men for being unselective (only swiping right, then filtering later). Of course, as soon as it comes out that you are rebalancing the market that way no one will use your app anymore, but it…

Ah yes, social engineering for the modern age. I'm not sure which path is worse, your suggestion or the status quo.
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