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Post by laughinghan »

daxorid wrote: post #235
sverige wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What crime did 8chan commit? I don't mean what did they do that you don't like, I mean what actual crime?

8chan's primary crime is not being sufficiently popular. The Christchurch killer livestreamed the event on Facebook, and the enormous well-funded content moderation apparatus within failed to shut it down until well after the innocents were dead. But Grandma uses Facebook, so we can't go after them. The Wal-Mart shooter had a Twitter account, and posted plenty of content questionable enough even for the FBI to take n…

You're right that Facebook was successfully abused by the Christchurch killer, but 8chan was being used by his community as intended, not abused.

To most people, that's why 8chan needed to be shut down, but Facebook only needs to be fixed. Why do you think that's irrelevant, and being small is the only crime?

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Post by megous »

tucif wrote: post #251
sebasmurphy wrote: post #115

Just going to throw this out there for anyone who is hesitant using a vpn managed by another service. You can set up your own easily using the ansible scripts provided by trailofbits, which supports both IPSEC and wireguard. https://github.com/trailofbits/algo a small DO (Digital Ocean) instance is only $5 a month and comes with 1TB outbound bandwidth (last I checked), which ends up being cheaper than most commercial…

Or host it for free in one of Oracle's cloud 'always free' tier VMs. Disclaimer: I'm an employee

Does it have public IP?

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Post by dzhiurgis »

xorcist wrote: post #102

I fully understand why a company would like to launch this type of service. This is the free market after all, and it would make the company insanely valuable, should it succeed. However I do have an issue with the marketing behind it. While not said outright, there is a clear message here that due to some unspecified magic your network performance will increase. That's clearly stretching the laws of physics, at the…

They could speed up your international traffic (they don't tho).

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Post by laughinghan »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #182
mwcampbell wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough. But let's not add into the mix a single company that spans the whole world yet is headquartered in a single country.

I'm not sure how being headquartered in 2, 20 or 200 countries is going to make a difference, can you please explain? At most, those would be satellite or region offices, which in the end will report to a central HQ.

I think it's extremely clear that mwcampbell is pointing to being 'headquartered in a single country' as one of the aspects they don't like about a single company having too much power. It's clear they're not advocating more headquarters for companies with too much power, they're advocating more companies each with less power.

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Post by AlEinstein »

xorcist wrote: post #102

I fully understand why a company would like to launch this type of service. This is the free market after all, and it would make the company insanely valuable, should it succeed. However I do have an issue with the marketing behind it. While not said outright, there is a clear message here that due to some unspecified magic your network performance will increase. That's clearly stretching the laws of physics, at the…

"due to some unspecified magic your network performance will increase"

In this post, they say that routing over cloudflare's network can be up to 30% faster because they maintain more efficient routing information than the public network:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/warp-technical-challenges/

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Post by anon12345690 »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #181
sverige wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.secureworldexpo.com/industry-news/cloudflare-sta... But it's ok, 8chan is a 'hate site,' right? We all know which ones those are.

A site where mass murders are encouraged to post their killing spree videos? Where hate groups and anonymous cowards promote hate, violence and other ideas? Spare us your "" defense of the indefensible.

welcome to the internet where people can post whatever they want

you know this doesnt actually stop the murders right? does it feel better to get outraged at the site instead of the murderer?

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Post by anon12345690 »

thenewnewguy wrote: post #205
sverige wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original comment had to do with whether we should trust Cloudflare more than Facebook. If they as a company want to make editorial decisions, that's fine, but the reality is that also means they are not content agnostic. Interestingly enough, they provide services for known spammers and other shady internet operations. As to whether 8chan 'caused' those abhorrent crimes, I couldn't say, any more than 'violent vid…

> The point is that they are demonstrably not exactly what they claim to be, and thus some level of distrust is warranted. Where does Cloudflare claim to be content agnostic?

that was like their major claim until they dropped stormfront and 8chan but they didnt drop all the other sites

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Post by bscphil »

lgats wrote: post #236
commoner wrote: post #34

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Although Warp doesn't mask IP addresses, it should be useful for these two use cases: 1) Communicating with insecure websites (HTTP instead of HTTPS) 2) Using unsecured wireless networks (e.g. Wi-Fi at a coffee shop) Beyond these two cases, is there any advantage to using Warp? Does Warp provide any benefits for email (secure IMAP/SMTP), file sharing (BitTorrent), or other protocols?

WARP+ apparently takes advantage of CloudFlare's Argo Smart Routing https://www.cloudflare.com/products/argo-smart-routing/ Statistics from one of my websites running Argo show a 16.73% percent improvement for 32.3% of web traffic routed through Argo. For my Google Cloud Washington based server, I see 5-15% improvement for some traffic from the EU and US East Coast and 15-30% improvement some traffic from Asia, Afric…

> Statistics from one of my websites running Argo show a 16.73% percent improvement for 32.3% of web traffic routed through Argo.

I don't understand the statistic. Is that the best 32.3%? Is the worst 32.3% 16.73% worse?

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Post by aftbit »

eastdakota wrote: post #41
mwcampbell wrote: post #17

I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…

Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…

How do you protect yourselves from becoming part of the USA's internet surveillance network? You're exposed to National Security Letters and you lost the case with the Ninth.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/ninth-circuit-rules-on-nsl-gag-o...

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Post by chc »

danShumway wrote: post #240
eastdakota wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…

> but hope there will always be more independent web because we exist than there would be if we didn’t. I'm wary about joining in on Cloudflare bashing. I like Cloudflare. But... The mark of a responsible company is that it has plans to mitigate potential harm once it stops being responsible. At one point growing up, I would have made the same arguments you make here about Google. They're not perfect, but they're bet…

Concretely, what are you suggesting Cloudflare is doing wrong here? What responsible things should they be doing that they aren't?

The "we try very hard not to be bad" form of mitigation is scary when the company is doing dangerous things without adequate safeguards, but I don't see how you figure Cloudflare is doing that here. Ultimately, when you've done everything you can not to put people at risk and the only remaining risk is that you'll stop being trustworthy, "We try very hard not to be bad" is all you can offer. So what more do you think they should be doing that would meaningfully reduce this risk?

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