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The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android clone is now available

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Re: The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android clone is now available

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Bromite author here ( https://www.bromite.org ); I was contacted some time ago about the possibility to maintain a modified version of Bromite with a customised /e/ home page and list of search engines. Nothing particularly murky there, but after some Q/A I did not want to proceed with this type of cross-branding because fundamentally I do not want Bromite to be using or be affiliated with any cloud service and I con…

I haven't looked into the compiled code but the source repository still shows the Bromite logo and name: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/apps/browser

The AUTHORS file also mentions being a fork of Bromite, but doesn't list any authors that aren't part of the project: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/apps/browser/blob/master/AUTHO...

It looks like your patches have been changed to renamed Bromite to Browser in user-facing code though. Have you already asked them to add a reference to Bromite somewhere in the about screen? Maybe create a pull request to make it easier for them to accept your request if the devs themselves are lazy. They obviously won't rename the browser shortcut, but adding a reference in the "About browser" section shouldn't be too much to ask for.

Unrelated: I understand your position on cloud providers, but I think /e/ is different from MS or Google in that it's possible to swap out most of the integrations with your own servers (it's all a bunch of glued-together open source services, after all).

Without cloud integration, I doubt /e/ would reach any sort of mainstream of non-technical cult status at all. You'd be left with an app store on top of a build of LineageOS. It's the services delivered with the system that a) distinguish the project from LineageOS without GApps and b) provide basic usability many normal users would miss otherwise.

Re: The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android clone is now available

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post #21

Bromite author here ( https://www.bromite.org ); I was contacted some time ago about the possibility to maintain a modified version of Bromite with a customised /e/ home page and list of search engines. Nothing particularly murky there, but after some Q/A I did not want to proceed with this type of cross-branding because fundamentally I do not want Bromite to be using or be affiliated with any cloud service and I con…

I use your browser as my daily driver and I just want to say thank you for your hard work.

You're welcome :)

Re: The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android clone is now available

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use your browser as my daily driver and I just want to say thank you for your hard work.

You're welcome :)

Is there anything I could do to help support bromite as a project?

Re: The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android clone is now available

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post #2

“Google-free” in that the name is impossible to google? /s I had not heard of Qwant before this. How does it compare to other privacy-focused search engines e.g. Duck Duck Go?

For search queries in French, DDG is a total no go for me while Qwant has decent results. But then, anything technical or in English I find myself automatically adding the &g suffix to search on Google.

They were based on Bing, but it changed years ago now and have their own crawlers.

Re: The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android clone is now available

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post #21

Bromite author here ( https://www.bromite.org ); I was contacted some time ago about the possibility to maintain a modified version of Bromite with a customised /e/ home page and list of search engines. Nothing particularly murky there, but after some Q/A I did not want to proceed with this type of cross-branding because fundamentally I do not want Bromite to be using or be affiliated with any cloud service and I con…

I haven't looked into the compiled code but the source repository still shows the Bromite logo and name: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/apps/browser The AUTHORS file also mentions being a fork of Bromite, but doesn't list any authors that aren't part of the project: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/apps/browser/blob/master/AUTHO... It looks like your patches have been changed to renamed Bromite to Browser in user-facing…

Yes, I am aware of the repository.

> Have you already asked them to add a reference to Bromite somewhere in the about screen?

I have not; I was expecting it, given the amount of modifications from Bromite patches (which is zero, as far as I understood).

> I think /e/ is different from MS or Google in that it's possible to swap out most of the integrations with your own servers (it's all a bunch of glued-together open source services, after all).

It's that "most" that corrupts the intent.

> Without cloud integration, I doubt /e/ would reach any sort of mainstream or non-technical cult status at all.

Sorry, I will avoid discussing this, it has all the clues to become an endless and inconclusive talk :)

In short: yes, I agree with you, and still do not care about "mainstream or non-technical cult status" at all.

Re: The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android clone is now available

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post #21

Bromite author here ( https://www.bromite.org ); I was contacted some time ago about the possibility to maintain a modified version of Bromite with a customised /e/ home page and list of search engines. Nothing particularly murky there, but after some Q/A I did not want to proceed with this type of cross-branding because fundamentally I do not want Bromite to be using or be affiliated with any cloud service and I con…

I haven't looked into the compiled code but the source repository still shows the Bromite logo and name: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/apps/browser The AUTHORS file also mentions being a fork of Bromite, but doesn't list any authors that aren't part of the project: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/apps/browser/blob/master/AUTHO... It looks like your patches have been changed to renamed Bromite to Browser in user-facing…

By the way, Bromite itself is mostly a curated, maintained and adapted (for Android) list of patches from other projects, plus a good chunk of patches developed by me for Bromite itself.

I keep correct attribution of all patches as much as possible and I would feel more accomplished if also the work of other patches' authors (countless hours) is correctly referenced through Bromite.

Re: The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android clone is now available

#39
post #14

I don't really see the benefit in this. You can install LineageOS without gapps and MicroG already distributes a fork of LineageOS that includes MicroG. If you want full control of your device you will likely be better off going with something like Librem 5 from Purism.

/e/ is LineageOS + MicroG already. Seems like a LineageOS downstream distro with bunch of defaults and some Cloud stuff (can be self-hosted) and an Appstore other than FDroid. Oh and they’ll sell you preflashed phones. So basically AOSP for less technical people interested in privacy. Seems harmless so far.

The cloud integrations feel suspect. "Ditch Google! Use us instead! You can trust us!"

Re: The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android clone is now available

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't looked into the compiled code but the source repository still shows the Bromite logo and name: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/apps/browser The AUTHORS file also mentions being a fork of Bromite, but doesn't list any authors that aren't part of the project: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/apps/browser/blob/master/AUTHO... It looks like your patches have been changed to renamed Bromite to Browser in user-facing…

Yes, I am aware of the repository. > Have you already asked them to add a reference to Bromite somewhere in the about screen? I have not; I was expecting it, given the amount of modifications from Bromite patches (which is zero, as far as I understood). > I think /e/ is different from MS or Google in that it's possible to swap out most of the integrations with your own servers (it's all a bunch of glued-together open…

> I have not; I was expecting it, given the amount of modifications from Bromite patches (which is zero, as far as I understood).

I won't lie, I would have expected the same if I were in your shoes. Thinking positively though, it's possible that the /e/ people don't care much about the attribution they themselves receive and don't realize what it means to others to be recognized for their personal hard work. Asking nicely might show them that other people in the open source community do care. The worst that can happen is that the people behind the project do indeed not care about you and are rude about it, but in that case nothing really changes anyway. Things can only improve from here, I'd say!

Based on the changes I've seen, they basically replaced all instances of "Bromite" and "Chrome" in the source code with "Browser". I don't see much /e/-specific code in there at all, aside from a project description and some links in the documentation. They did add a reference to the original project to the AUTHORS file, so I'd like to believe in a variation of Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by laziness.

> Sorry, I will avoid discussing this, it has all the clues to become an endless and inconclusive talk :) I completely agree :)

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