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Post by tucif »

sebasmurphy wrote: post #115

Just going to throw this out there for anyone who is hesitant using a vpn managed by another service. You can set up your own easily using the ansible scripts provided by trailofbits, which supports both IPSEC and wireguard. https://github.com/trailofbits/algo a small DO (Digital Ocean) instance is only $5 a month and comes with 1TB outbound bandwidth (last I checked), which ends up being cheaper than most commercial…

Or host it for free in one of Oracle's cloud 'always free' tier VMs.

Disclaimer: I'm an employee

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Post by bryan_w »

teddyh wrote: post #229
allworknoplay wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't block requests to 8chan, they simply won't provide services to the site. If you're using cloudflare for DNS lookups, 8chan resolves just like any other non-cloudflare customer.

…until someone gets the media going about it, at which point they block it. And that time, they will have a precedent.

Yup just wait for the "Cloudflare allows access to domestic terrorist sites" headline next time the CEO pisses off the NYT

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Post by irq-1 »

eastdakota wrote: post #41
mwcampbell wrote: post #17

I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…

Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…

Could you add Privacy restrictions? I'd like to see a maximum 18 month data retention, and some restriction on changing the terms: promise to never change them, or only change with 6 month public notice... idk

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Post by mdb333 »

trenning wrote: post #61
eastdakota wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…

Basically we should trust you because you're not facebook. Haven't you personally shut down websites because you don't like their content?

There's quite a big difference in having a website "shut down" compared to deciding not to provide a given site/company/organization with services.

It's the digital equivalent to a No Shirt, No Shoes... No service sign.

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Post by kev009 »

This is a huge technical accomplishment if you peruse the related blog post https://blog.cloudflare.com/warp-technical-challenges/ around network topology. If you compare CF to Fastly, Akamai, and LLNW (the other 3 publicly traded CDNs) CF is so much better staffed and managed it is mind boggling to see how the others will remain relevant over a longer timescale. CF is one of the few recent tech IPOs where I haven't rolled my eyes and groaned. I used to work at one of the others so know quite a bit about this industry and how far behind the major players are.

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Post by mdb333 »

mwcampbell wrote: post #17

I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…

sure... but I'd trust Cloudflare over Comcast anyday.

Plus, (1) you can turn on/off WARP at your leisure and (2) they've explicitly committed to limited logging and not selling data which is pretty huge.

I use a small local provider where possible... but the reality is that they have to lease their lines from AT&T anyway. In general, there are very few providers out there that have capability to offer competitive services.

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Post by acdha »

steveklabnik wrote: post #249
acdha wrote: post #242

This looks like a neat idea but I’ve haven't gotten it to connect on two WiFi networks or T-Mobile LTE. The one thing which could explain that is it showing me as having 0MB of WARP+ but there’s no way I’m paying before I can test it and it seems pointless if it requires the network provider to enable it.

You should file a bug from within the app; you don't need WARP+ to use Warp and it shouldn't require anything from your provider.

I did, and was later able to connect using LTE so I suspect this is due to UDP being blocked on those WiFi networks but I don’t have an easy way to confirm that other than seeing the timeouts in the logs.

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Post by kev009 »

xorcist wrote: post #102

I fully understand why a company would like to launch this type of service. This is the free market after all, and it would make the company insanely valuable, should it succeed. However I do have an issue with the marketing behind it. While not said outright, there is a clear message here that due to some unspecified magic your network performance will increase. That's clearly stretching the laws of physics, at the…

What basis are you making this on, have you worked on a multi-homed BGP environment before? There is a lot of latency hiding in the route maps and interconnections most providers use, and running your own lines can reduce a ton of jitter, route instability, congestion, and other common issues where most tech people oversimplify the constituents of the Internet.

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Post by eastdakota »

irq-1 wrote: post #253
eastdakota wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…

Could you add Privacy restrictions? I'd like to see a maximum 18 month data retention, and some restriction on changing the terms: promise to never change them, or only change with 6 month public notice... idk

We’ve promised logs deleted after no more than 24 hours. We don’t want personally identifiable information; we think of it as a toxic asset. Here are the privacy guarantees we’ve made for 1.1.1.1 and WARP: https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/commitment-to-priv...
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