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Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

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Re: Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

#11
Do we know how many people use the icon, even as something like "% of Firefox users"?

It does seem a bit silly to remove the RSS icon without any data on its usefulness. Then again, maybe Mozilla has some data we're not privy to on how many people actually use that button besides Dave Winer.

Re: Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

#13

Why not implement it as an extension, like Chrome does?

Because it's already in there, they have to do something to take it out. But that said, I don't know why -- I'm just a user of Firefox. Haven't wanted to switch because of things like this. You get used to the quirks of a product.

Re: Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

#14
This may be an old school rant but I'm old school so...

There has been a bothersome trend in software in general lately to strip things down. It used to mean that a new version of software contained new features on top of those you already had but lately there has been a push to remove things that are viewed as used by only a small percentage of the user base. Sadly many of those things are used by the more 'advanced' segment of the user base.

FF4 is removing the RSS icon and also the bottom status bar which are the two that irk me. Not just turning off, removing entirely. The status bar functionality has to be restored by a plug-in now, which only serves to bog the browser down. The RSS functionality I'm sure will be the same but again, more plugins to replace what was native functionality.

I fully understand catering to the bulk of the market but this should apply to default settings, not removing features entirely. Default them to off if you want an uber clean interface, don't gut existing features.

I have always avoided Chrome (even with its speed) because I can't stand its UI but once FF4 ships I may just make the leap since really I'm not seeing much difference anymore. (though FF does let me put the tabs back down where I like them) Just a word from one old school guy... if you have features, don't remove them just for the sake of streamlining. Someone out there relies on that... and that someone may just be one more rat that jumps ship.

Re: Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

#15
My mother doesn't know what that is or its use. Neither does my brother, sister, neighbor, dog, ipad, etc. So I'd say only geeks know what a feed is. Then let geeks use an extension and don't bother +90% of internet users with that.

It is in a sense like developer tools, if you know where they are you can easily activate them and use them, if not, they are out of the way.

Good riddance.

Re: Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

#16
I haven't played with the latest FF4 beta, but FF4b7 it was pretty simple to add a Feed button, as it's provided, though defaulted to off. The one issue with it is that it isn't contained in the awesome bar any longer.

If you want to re-enable it, you just have to configure your toolbars, and find the feed icon, then position it where you want it. Sorry, this is non-descript, I don't currently have access to Firefox so that I could provide the complete steps.

Re: Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

#17

My mother doesn't know what that is or its use. Neither does my brother, sister, neighbor, dog, ipad, etc. So I'd say only geeks know what a feed is. Then let geeks use an extension and don't bother +90% of internet users with that. It is in a sense like developer tools, if you know where they are you can easily activate them and use them, if not, they are out of the way. Good riddance.

While it's probably true that geeks make up most RSS users, that doesn't mean either that it should be this way, or that it will remain this way, or that there is some obvious and immutable reason that it must be this way.

In fact, of course, using an RSS feed is a very simple concept, which turns out to be extraordinarily useful to normal, non-geekly folks who just want to read a lot without being pestered by all the normal encumbrances of the web.

So, your argument strikes me as weak.

Re: Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

#18

My mother doesn't know what that is or its use. Neither does my brother, sister, neighbor, dog, ipad, etc. So I'd say only geeks know what a feed is. Then let geeks use an extension and don't bother +90% of internet users with that. It is in a sense like developer tools, if you know where they are you can easily activate them and use them, if not, they are out of the way. Good riddance.

Now in the good spirit of a designer in search of a solution to everything and everybody, add an option in preferences to show/hide the feed button. How about that?

Re: Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

#19
It probably doesnt help my case that I never really used RSS, but I do appreciate Mozilla's effort towards stripping down the the core of the UI (and entire application)

A browser that lacked unessential features was the original appeal for firefox and if anything chromes popularity is in a large part because people see it as a speedy lean alternative to an ever bloating firefox.

I dont see why a plugin is less user friendly than yet another neglected preference feature, optional value added features is exactly what plugins are for

Re: Dear Firefox, please keep the RSS icon

#20
post #17

My mother doesn't know what that is or its use. Neither does my brother, sister, neighbor, dog, ipad, etc. So I'd say only geeks know what a feed is. Then let geeks use an extension and don't bother +90% of internet users with that. It is in a sense like developer tools, if you know where they are you can easily activate them and use them, if not, they are out of the way. Good riddance.

While it's probably true that geeks make up most RSS users, that doesn't mean either that it should be this way, or that it will remain this way, or that there is some obvious and immutable reason that it must be this way. In fact, of course, using an RSS feed is a very simple concept, which turns out to be extraordinarily useful to normal, non-geekly folks who just want to read a lot without being pestered by all th…

While I agree that feeds are a simple concept, the vast majority doesn't care. Feeds have been available since the early 00s and its adoption hasn't grown outside the geek circles. People just don't like to be bothered with the simplest complexity.

I bet less than 80% of ordinary people even use bookmarks, being way simpler than feeds in concept.

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