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Re: WARP is here

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Post by thenewnewguy » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #77

Pfhreak wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? The arbiters of the internet? You don't think that's maybe a little melodramatic? Cloudflare has, time and time again demonstrated openness, transparency, and insight into their technical and ethical frameworks. I trust them a whole lot more than my isp or any random vpn provider.

> The arbiters of the internet? You don't think that's maybe a little melodramatic? As someone who has browsed sites "powered by cloudflare" over Tor and been tossed into an infinite "are you human" loop, it certainly doesn't feel melodramatic. They've also exercised power over websites based on moral outrage. Perhaps 99.999% of people agree with the morals behind this decision, and maybe it's even the right decision…

> As someone who has browsed sites "powered by cloudflare" over Tor and been tossed into an infinite "are you human" loop, it certainly doesn't feel melodramatic.

https://privacypass.github.io/

Re: WARP is here

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Post by coolspot » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #172

throwid wrote: post #160

I just bought a monthly 1.1.1.1 + WARP subscription, and it's slow as hell. Maybe because I'm in Indonesia. But it works just fine with WARP disabled. Another problem is 1.1.1.1 suddenly disconnected when I'm not browsing the internet, like watching videos or reading something on my phone. Hope you guys fix these problems soon.

I have a 300/300 symmetric connection in Barcelona and only get 80/0.07 Mbps with Warp. The 80 is fine, but what is up with 0.07 Mbps up, and why is it so jittery? EDIT: Anyone in Barcelona want to go axe throwing in an hour?

86.3/0.28 with Warp, 109.4/117.8 without. I am in LA, CA, US.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by hinkley » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:48 PM UTC

mwcampbell wrote: post #17

I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…

I'd like to be in a world where if Cloudflare or AWS is down my websites and the sites I enjoy are still up.

But to do that I'd need to have replication not just across data centers but across providers. And it's hard enough getting your team to understand how one provider works. We'd have to go an awful long way toward standardizing and dare I say comodifying these companies to get there.

But as Fortune 500 companies have known for longer than Fortune has existed, if you have two vendors you can play off of each other your life tends to go a lot better. Right now almost none of us have that, and I suspect we are all a little poorer for it.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by judge2020 » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:50 PM UTC

xeroaura wrote: post #179

bithavoc wrote: post #177

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Warp doesn't provide anonymity, however, for some reason Netflix in my phone can stream US TV shows with Warp on while my non warped devices can not even list the show. Weird.

It seems to not be hiding IP, but it does inadvertently(?) do so for some site's detection methods I think. When I did an IP lookup, some sites reported correct while others reported one I didn't recognize (assumed its the one from WARP).

Ya it only forwards the IP for websites behind CF for now https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21070828

Re: WARP is here

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Post by thenewnewguy » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:51 PM UTC

sverige wrote: post #195

thenewnewguy wrote: post #191

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Why are they required to have committed a crime? Cloudflare isn't the government, why do you believe they're obligated to serve 8chan? Cloudflare took down one website that was directly related to a major tragedy that cost people their lives. If you want to complain about that go ahead, but I don't care. I don't allow people to use my websites to spread that kind of hate, and I have no problem with Cloudflare doing t…

The original comment had to do with whether we should trust Cloudflare more than Facebook. If they as a company want to make editorial decisions, that's fine, but the reality is that also means they are not content agnostic. Interestingly enough, they provide services for known spammers and other shady internet operations. As to whether 8chan 'caused' those abhorrent crimes, I couldn't say, any more than 'violent vid…

> The point is that they are demonstrably not exactly what they claim to be, and thus some level of distrust is warranted.

Where does Cloudflare claim to be content agnostic?

Re: WARP is here

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Post by PentiumBug » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:54 PM UTC

bithavoc wrote: post #177

eis wrote: post #11

The article mentions that WARP is exposing the end user's IP to websites they visit. I'd be interested in how they do that, especially with HTTPS websites where they can't MITM and inject headers. > WARP is not designed to allow you to access geo-restricted content when you’re traveling. It will not hide your IP address from the websites you visit.

Warp doesn't provide anonymity, however, for some reason Netflix in my phone can stream US TV shows with Warp on while my non warped devices can not even list the show. Weird.

Because Netflix is not a Cloudflare client, so CF can't pass the source (client) IP. The same should happen with Google, Facebook (or anyone not behind CF infrastructure).

At least, that's the way I'm currently understanding it.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by tick_tock_tick » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:55 PM UTC

asdkhadsj wrote: post #68

ksec wrote: post #23

Just wanted to say Thank You. I could only wish this was released a little sooner, but better late than Never. The Hong Kong people desperately need something like this to avoid ISP monitoring. I wonder if something similar is planned for Windows and Mac? P.S Regarding the 10GB, have been on the waiting list since April 1st, nothing shown up yet.

Re HK, how could something like this even be used? I would have thought ISP traffic would ensure this is being blacklisted.

Blacklisting it would require them blacklisting all of cloudflare.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by cpeterso » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

ikeboy wrote: post #139

Speedtest showing download speeds 3X slower (around 35MBPS vs 110). On PIA, which costs me around $3/month when I buy yearly, I get around 75MBPS, it does hide IP, and I can select the country and region I want. Also it's available on my computer and on multiple devices at once. I don't see the value of WARP+ at $4.99/month. Less features and slower.

Netflix's fast.com speed test on my iPhone:

  * Comcast without WARP:  460 Mbps
  * Comcast with WARP:      30 Mbps
  * T-Mobile without WARP: 500 Kbps
  * T-Mobile with WARP:    600 Kbps

Regular WARP doesn't claim any performance speedups, so I'm curious to see how WARP+ compares. In the meantime, I will disable WARP for my home Wi-Fi.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by Animats » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

One backdoor to rule them all. They just have to be a target for NSA, the SVR, and the Third Department. How would you audit Cloudflare to find that?

Re: WARP is here

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Post by reaperducer » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

tomc1985 wrote: post #169

reaperducer wrote: post #167

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the way the Internet was -- a large number of small providers, communicating with each other over open standard protocols I don't remember the internet ever being like that. I remember when you couldn't e-mail someone in another city without going through gateways. When you couldn't visit the majority of major web sites without downloading plug-ins. When you knew the information you wanted was out there, but couldn't…

> When you couldn't visit the majority of major web sites without downloading plug-ins. I was on the web since AOL added it to their client in the mid-90s and it was never as bad as you're hinting it is.

I was on the web since AOL added it to their client

I was online before there was AOL, or a web, and before there was an internet, back when it was dozens of networks, with varying degrees of interconnectivity.

it was never as bad as you're hinting it is.

It was bad. You had to be there. (Think an e-mail from the east coast of the United States taking 10 days to reach Norway. For many destinations, snail mail was faster.)