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Re: WARP is here

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post #99

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I think sharing sources would help your point.

https://www.secureworldexpo.com/industry-news/cloudflare-sta... But it's ok, 8chan is a 'hate site,' right? We all know which ones those are.

A site where mass murders are encouraged to post their killing spree videos? Where hate groups and anonymous cowards promote hate, violence and other ideas? Spare us your "" defense of the indefensible.

Re: WARP is here

#182
post #89

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How would your “better Internet” work when it reaches an ocean? Maybe this doesn’t matter to you, as someone who lives in the US and mostly access websites hosted in the US; but for the majority of the world, getting access to “the Internet” is more about tapping into the millisecond-latency backbone of submarine cables, than it is about last-mile residential ISPs. Those submarine cables form a natural monopoly, ther…

Fair enough. But let's not add into the mix a single company that spans the whole world yet is headquartered in a single country.

I'm not sure how being headquartered in 2, 20 or 200 countries is going to make a difference, can you please explain? At most, those would be satellite or region offices, which in the end will report to a central HQ.

Re: WARP is here

#183

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I'm consistently amazed at how many people [on HN...] over-estimate the size/scale of Cloudflare. Comcast is a huge, multi-billion $ operation with global contracts and broadcasting capabilities, and > 184,000 employees globally (that's more than Google, and even MSFT). That's not to say that we shouldn't be wary of Cloudflare for many other reasons; but that they have more influence over the Internet than one of the…

How many websites have you visited that are hosted or proxied by Comcast? The fact that Cloudflare is now mediating the connection on both ends is what makes it frightening.

Comcast operates a CDN, launched in 2014. [0] [1]

After some googling, it's very unclear how popular their CDN service is. Based on some of their marketing, seems like it might be focussed more on the video delivery side, which would also make sense given that it's Comcast. (If it indeed is an enterprise video delivery service, they may only have a handful of very large customers)

If this is accurate, it seems like Comcast also controls the data end-to-end (being both an ISP and CDN).

[0] https://www.comcasttechnologysolutions.com/

[1] https://www.comcasttechnologysolutions.com/sites/default/fil...

Re: WARP is here

#184
Great that it's finally launched. I've been on the waitlist for months.

That said, I'm very ambivalent about Cloudflare.

On the one hand, I love them because they're doing a lot of cool stuff (shoutout to kentonv whose sandstorm project I loved, who works there now), and even own a bit of their stock.

On the other hand, them being an infrastructure company but also wading into what travels over their pipes makes me uncomfortable. I get that 8chan was horrible (and Stormfront before that, IIRC), but it shows more discretion than I'd like that that level of the stack. They seemed to be more hands-off in the past, so I wonder if the IPO changed that at all.

A policy question: forbidding 8chan as a Cloudflare customer is one thing, but what if someone was using Warp and tried to load wherever it is they moved to? Would Warp block that?

Re: WARP is here

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.secureworldexpo.com/industry-news/cloudflare-sta... But it's ok, 8chan is a 'hate site,' right? We all know which ones those are.

A site where mass murders are encouraged to post their killing spree videos? Where hate groups and anonymous cowards promote hate, violence and other ideas? Spare us your "" defense of the indefensible.

What crime did 8chan commit? I don't mean what did they do that you don't like, I mean what actual crime?

Re: WARP is here

#186

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I ran a small web service in the video game industry for several years, and CloudFlare was essential to our survival, as the DDoS attacks would repeat every few weeks, and at times last 6 to 12 hours at a time. CloudFlare simply ate that up, and our customers were not impacted. Today, at a different company, different industry, we use CloudFlare for similar needs, but within physical area security networks. It's esse…

Don't lots of smaller hosting providers have DDoS protection? Did you try one of those and find it wasn't good enough?

No, can you link me to some of these "smaller hosting providers [that] have DDoS protection"?

In fact, I can't find any matching that description.

Re: WARP is here

#187
post #45

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I agree using Cloudflare proxy (or really any VPN) gives the company a lot of power. But the idea of Cloudflare intercepting all of my traffic doesn't bother me since the alternative is simply another company (Spectrum, or my random friend's wifi, or Starbucks) intercepting all of my traffic by virtue of being my ISP. It's up to you which is the lesser of two evils. I suppose Cloudflare may have more insight into the…

I can believe that Cloudflare's current leadership are currently more conscientious than, say, Comcast's. But, especially post-IPO, what is that actually worth? I think that, worldwide, it's likely that Cloudflare is already bigger than Comcast. So, unless I'm given evidence to the contrary, I think Comcast is the lesser evil.

> it's likely that Cloudflare is already bigger than Comcast.

Unless I'm given evidence to the contrary, I will adamantly say it is silly to say Comcast is the lesser evil.

Re: WARP is here

#189
post #89

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How would your “better Internet” work when it reaches an ocean? Maybe this doesn’t matter to you, as someone who lives in the US and mostly access websites hosted in the US; but for the majority of the world, getting access to “the Internet” is more about tapping into the millisecond-latency backbone of submarine cables, than it is about last-mile residential ISPs. Those submarine cables form a natural monopoly, ther…

Fair enough. But let's not add into the mix a single company that spans the whole world yet is headquartered in a single country.

> yet is headquartered in a single country.

The vast majority of companies have their HQ in a single country. This is due to the base function that the HQ serves for a corporation. [0][1]

[0]http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/corporate-headquarters.a...

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_headquarters#Locatio...

Re: WARP is here

#190

Exciting! We're a tiny company and have sponsored WireGuard two years in a row; you can see us on the WireGuard home page. Cloudflare is a gigantic company who just used the WireGuard design work to fork the project. Has Cloudflare given a cent to WireGuard? Why isn't their logo on the site?

AFAIK They acted same with nginx.
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