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Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by hawkedit »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #56
hawkedit wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious why you feel that restricting all flavoring in e-cig juice would be a good thing. You do realize that would just push things underground and out of a somewhat regulated market even more... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make their own flavored juice at home after ordering the supplies... Not to mention the disrupt that would have on local business with the tens of thousands of vape shops that have…

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to roll a cigarette either, but I think most people buy them in stores.

The entire point of the original comment was limiting underage consumption. Not sure what this proves.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by rrss »

ceejayoz wrote: post #37
dntrkv wrote: post #31

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A Juul habit is not super cheap, it’s more expensive than an equivalent cigarette habit, by far.

A pack of cigarettes in NY goes for $10+. A four-pack of Juul pods goes for $16, and each of those four is supposed to be the equivalent of a pack. (And those are the brand-name pods.)

I've heard the Juul pods are the equivalent to a pack in terms of nicotine content, but i don't think that means people go through one pod in the same time as they would go through one pack.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by stronglikedan »

bhouston wrote: post #51

Smokers switching to ecigs is a good thing. Significantly proved health outcomes. But kids adopting flavored ecigs and beginning smoking is horrible. So we need to limit ecigs to the first use case and minimize the second otherwise ecigs/vaping could be an overall net negative. So I do strongly favor no advertising at all and no flavors or colors except mentol or something else which appeals to existing smokers.

Fruity flavors were a life-saver for me, because it allowed me to distance myself from tobacco flavor so much, that it made me nauseous when I would try to smoke a real cigarette again. It just so happens that the "something else which appeals to existing smokers", e.g., fruity flavors, may also be appealing to non-smokers. However, I don't see that as a strong enough argument to ban them.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by DataWorker »

ceejayoz wrote: post #30
mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #28

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Falsely claiming that Juul was selling their products directly to high schoolers inside high schools isn't a very strong argument. Edit: I agree examples cited below arguably constitute selling. That said, if this is what parent was referring to, would likely have been better to say so since this isn't what selling implies when stated without any qualifier.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/health/juul-teens-vaping.... > In April 2017, a Juul representative visited the Dwight School in New York City to meet with students — with no teachers present — and told them the company’s e-cigarettes were “totally safe.” > Other schools across the country were offered $10,000 from the e-cigarette company for the right to talk to students in classrooms or after school. > In Richmo…

The New York Times isn’t a very credible source at this point.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by goatinaboat »

dymk wrote: post #59
least wrote: post #52

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Alternatively we can inform children about the risks of using e-cigarettes and let them make the decision on their own? Existing smokers like the different flavors as well and it's definitely one of the appeals it has over smoking cigarettes. EDIT: I'd like to make the point that I'm not a proponent of children making their own decisions as a child. We've already accepted as a society (generally) that children do not…

Children are not equipped to make these sorts of choices about their health, regardless of what libertarians may tell you.

It’s not libertarians claiming that children can make their own life-changing healthcare decisions.

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Post by moftz »

xphilter wrote: post #50
lazyguy2 wrote: post #26

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All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

"This is why Vaping, which should cut these lung cancer rates by over 95%, is one of the most important public health break-throughs in recent memory." Not so sure about this. If the recent lung illnesses are tied to vaping, then that really can't be true. Also, the 154,000 dying of lung cancer would undoubtedly be those who started smoking tobacco decades ago. The overall trend of smoking tobacco is downward. That a…

There needs to be some more information out there as to what specifically is causing this illness. Everyone is quick to lump all vapes together when there are a ton of rumors that the ones making people sick/dead are blackmarket/bootleg THC cartridges from China. For all of these illnesses and deaths to come on so quickly, it seems more like a tainted product than the typical PG/VG/flavoring mixture causing this. We already know smoking kills. It kills way more people every day than have ever died from vaping. If we aren't going to ban cigarettes too, then we need to regulate them both equally. I don't think vape ads on TV are appropriate and Juul employees visiting schools is definitely not good, regardless of whether or not the kids are 18+. They can be used as smoking cessation but they can also just be used as an alternative as compared to patches and gum which are really only good for cessation.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

mieseratte wrote: post #44
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #35

They reached out to me on LinkedIn. Don't know why they need software engineers, but I don't think I'm aligned with their mission -- whatever it may be.

Should've at least talked to a recruiter to hear them out, I'd be too curious not to. Years back I'd had a recruiter for one of the world's largest pornographers reach out to me, was very interesting to learn about what they do and how they do it.

To be honest, I usually don't turn down phone calls for new opportunities -- even if I expect them to not go much of anywhere -- since it's a new connection, and you never know where the conversation could go. In this case, it was the name that threw me off.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by givinguflac »

tomnipotent wrote: post #49
lazyguy2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

> Were as the small companies, that make up the bulk of the vape market, cannot Juul owns 70% of the vape market.

The parent comment is referring to the explosion of standalone vape shops that sell a wide variety of products. Not a reference to Juul being a small company. This is the biggest fail in all of this, there have been a huge number of successful shops opening up that are all but put out of business by these bans.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

ceejayoz wrote: post #30
mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Falsely claiming that Juul was selling their products directly to high schoolers inside high schools isn't a very strong argument. Edit: I agree examples cited below arguably constitute selling. That said, if this is what parent was referring to, would likely have been better to say so since this isn't what selling implies when stated without any qualifier.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/health/juul-teens-vaping.... > In April 2017, a Juul representative visited the Dwight School in New York City to meet with students — with no teachers present — and told them the company’s e-cigarettes were “totally safe.” > Other schools across the country were offered $10,000 from the e-cigarette company for the right to talk to students in classrooms or after school. > In Richmo…

Given the way teenagers don’t really fawn over authority figures, this seems like the most counterproductive thing they could have done. Stupid.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

tomnipotent wrote: post #49
lazyguy2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

> Were as the small companies, that make up the bulk of the vape market, cannot Juul owns 70% of the vape market.

70% of a cherry picked subset of the market that excludes vape shops and online.
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