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Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by dntrkv »

34679 wrote: post #15
goatsi wrote: post #10

To be succeeded by a former tobacco executive. The takeover of Juul by big tobacco is now complete, and they have someone with strong experience downplaying, denying and obfuscating to weather the storm.

Next up: regulatory capture. Vaping right now is super cheap because of all the options from different companies. So what's a multibillion dollar international conglomerate to do? Well, make the little guys go away with onerous regulations, of course. It's the American Way™.

A Juul habit is not super cheap, it’s more expensive than an equivalent cigarette habit, by far.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by Alex3917 »

lazyguy2 wrote: post #26
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #2

And he is being replaced by a former Marlboro employee. I am sure the public will feel so much safer knowing that the advertising will be handled by a Big Tobacco veteran moving forward.

All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

> This is why Vaping, which should cut these lung cancer rates by over 95%, is one of the most important public health break-throughs in recent memory.

I mean smoking shouldn't really cause cancer to begin with. It really depends on how much radioactive material is in ecigs, which afaik we don't know yet.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by situational87 »

mfoy_ wrote: post #5

Also, (forgive me if I get the jargon wrong here...) isn't the vaping health crisis the article mentions due to sketchy THC vaping solutions that have Vitamin E oil in them? Not Juul's nicotine stuff? I.e. because THC isn't water-soluble, it has to be suspended/dissolved in some oil-based thing. Lipids + lungs = BAD.

There is no clear answer yet, but some signs are pointing to the metal parts used in cartridges/vape chambers being the cause.

Maybe just in counterfeit knockoffs, maybe not. It's unclear.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by 34679 »

vkou wrote: post #17
mfoy_ wrote: post #5

Also, (forgive me if I get the jargon wrong here...) isn't the vaping health crisis the article mentions due to sketchy THC vaping solutions that have Vitamin E oil in them? Not Juul's nicotine stuff? I.e. because THC isn't water-soluble, it has to be suspended/dissolved in some oil-based thing. Lipids + lungs = BAD.

There's two vaping crises. One is THC vaping solutions that are killing people. The second is that we're currently living through a meteoric rise in nicotine addiction among teenagers. For a very long time, teenage nicotine use was going down, due to declines in smoking rates. Smoking rates still continue to decline, but nicotine vaping rates have gone up and to the right. 1 in 4 high school students are now vaping n…

If it's not killing people, how is it a health crisis? Would it be a public health crisis if we had a meteoric rise in teens swimming, given that the risk of death or illness from swimming is far higher than it is from vaping?

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by mandelbrotwurst »

ceejayoz wrote: post #30
mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Falsely claiming that Juul was selling their products directly to high schoolers inside high schools isn't a very strong argument. Edit: I agree examples cited below arguably constitute selling. That said, if this is what parent was referring to, would likely have been better to say so since this isn't what selling implies when stated without any qualifier.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/health/juul-teens-vaping.... > In April 2017, a Juul representative visited the Dwight School in New York City to meet with students — with no teachers present — and told them the company’s e-cigarettes were “totally safe.” > Other schools across the country were offered $10,000 from the e-cigarette company for the right to talk to students in classrooms or after school. > In Richmo…

Oh, interesting, fair enough thanks. I agree that could be considered selling.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by ceejayoz »

dntrkv wrote: post #31
34679 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next up: regulatory capture. Vaping right now is super cheap because of all the options from different companies. So what's a multibillion dollar international conglomerate to do? Well, make the little guys go away with onerous regulations, of course. It's the American Way™.

A Juul habit is not super cheap, it’s more expensive than an equivalent cigarette habit, by far.

A pack of cigarettes in NY goes for $10+.

A four-pack of Juul pods goes for $16, and each of those four is supposed to be the equivalent of a pack. (And those are the brand-name pods.)

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by lowboy »

ceejayoz wrote: post #30
mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Falsely claiming that Juul was selling their products directly to high schoolers inside high schools isn't a very strong argument. Edit: I agree examples cited below arguably constitute selling. That said, if this is what parent was referring to, would likely have been better to say so since this isn't what selling implies when stated without any qualifier.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/health/juul-teens-vaping.... > In April 2017, a Juul representative visited the Dwight School in New York City to meet with students — with no teachers present — and told them the company’s e-cigarettes were “totally safe.” > Other schools across the country were offered $10,000 from the e-cigarette company for the right to talk to students in classrooms or after school. > In Richmo…

“Selling” can mean a general sales pitch (what is quoted) or actual transactions of goods (not what is quoted). Those two meanings have very different implications.

Not defending either of those, but making a distinction in meaning.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

#39

Post by ceejayoz »

34679 wrote: post #34
vkou wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's two vaping crises. One is THC vaping solutions that are killing people. The second is that we're currently living through a meteoric rise in nicotine addiction among teenagers. For a very long time, teenage nicotine use was going down, due to declines in smoking rates. Smoking rates still continue to decline, but nicotine vaping rates have gone up and to the right. 1 in 4 high school students are now vaping n…

If it's not killing people, how is it a health crisis? Would it be a public health crisis if we had a meteoric rise in teens swimming, given that the risk of death or illness from swimming is far higher than it is from vaping?

> If it's not killing people, how is it a health crisis?

I'm not sure we can safely say we know the long-term impact of vaping nicotine yet.

There are also indications that the uptick in vaping has stalled the decline in cigarette smoking.

https://www.concordmonitor.com/Youth-smoking-decline-stalls-...

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

#40

Post by rsuelzer »

lazyguy2 wrote: post #26
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #2

And he is being replaced by a former Marlboro employee. I am sure the public will feel so much safer knowing that the advertising will be handled by a Big Tobacco veteran moving forward.

All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

Thank you for this. I have struggled with addiction my whole life and switched to a tank based e-cig seven years ago and have not had a full cigarette since.

I say fill cigarette because I use fruit flavored liquids and it helped me develop an aversion to the taste of Tobacco and smoke. A few years ago I had a few drags of a cigarette at a party and it made me want to throw up.

Not saying what I do is harmless, but it's a major harm reduction for me. I went from having some pretty serious lung issues to being able to do intense cardio workouts for several hours without any problems breathing.

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